Six U.S. Cities Make the List of Most Surveilled Places in the World
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#2Atlanta
Chicago
Washington D.C.
San Francisco
San Diego
Boston
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#3The headline is slightly misleading without context on how big the list is. Otherwise you could say
>Every major American city make the list of most surveilled places in the world
with a list size of 500.
Anyways, the list seems the top offenders seems to be China (by far) and UK (to an extent). No surprise there.
The list follows a power distribution, so the first few cities on the list are significantly worse than the others. For example, Chongqing and Shenzhen (in first and second place respectively) have around 160 cameras per 1000 people, but Atlanta (first US city on the list, 10th place) only has 13.06 cameras. Other western countries on the list are lower, but don't have much less cameras. Sydney is at 15th place with 12.35 cameras and Berlin is at 19th place with 11.18 cameras.
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#4Per capita doesn't matter for cameras, you care about per area and arguably, coverage/holes, since 10 cameras pointing at one location/direction is (often) less informative than one well placed camera.
Indoors also matters a lot.
To this end, I'm really surprised that NYC doesn't make the list, given 9/11.
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#5My first thought was: how is NYC not on this list since it has cameras on every block, and has for decades.
And then I saw this: "Atlanta was the only place in the U.S. to crack the top ten, with 15.56 cameras per thousand residents."
So they are looking at cameras per 1000 residents. This seems like the wrong way to count. If you point a camera at a block, you see everyone on that block whether there is one person or 10.
They should compute it as percentage of public area that is under surveillance, I think.
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#6Atlanta Chicago Washington D.C. San Francisco San Diego Boston
Thank you
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#7Per capita doesn't matter for cameras, you care about per area and arguably, coverage/holes, since 10 cameras pointing at one location/direction is (often) less informative than one well placed camera. Indoors also matters a lot. To this end, I'm really surprised that NYC doesn't make the list, given 9/11.
> per capita doesn't matter for cameras
You mean it may not matter. In practice, it is probably proportional to cameras per area, so it would matter.
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#8My first thought was: how is NYC not on this list since it has cameras on every block, and has for decades. And then I saw this: "Atlanta was the only place in the U.S. to crack the top ten, with 15.56 cameras per thousand residents." So they are looking at cameras per 1000 residents. This seems like the wrong way to count. If you point a camera at a block, you see everyone on that block whether there is one person o…
What matters more than the number of cameras is how/if the cameras are integrated. I don't much care that the local gas station has cameras tied to a 30-day DVR. I expect that. I don't expect them to be connected to facial-recognition AI, networked to the national police, and be feeding my movements into a citizenship score system that will impact my future job prospects.
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#9Top 20
1. Chongqing, China – 2,579,890 cameras for 15,354,067 people = 168.03 cameras per 1,000 people
2. Shenzhen, China – 1,929,600 cameras for 12,128,721 people = 159.09 cameras per 1,000 people
3. Shanghai, China – 2,985,984 cameras for 26,317,104 people = 113.46 cameras per 1,000 people
4. Tianjin, China – 1,244,160 cameras for 13,396,402 people = 92.87 cameras per 1,000 people
5. Ji’nan, China – 540,463 cameras for 7,321,200 people = 73.82 cameras per 1,000 people
6. London, England (UK) – 627,707 cameras for 9,176,530 people = 68.40 cameras per 1,000 people
7. Wuhan, China – 500,000 cameras for 8,266,273 people = 60.49 cameras per 1,000 people
8. Guangzhou, China – 684,000 cameras for 12,967,862 people = 52.75 cameras per 1,000 people
9. Beijing, China – 800,000 cameras for 20,035,455 people = 39.93 cameras per 1,000 people
10. Atlanta, Georgia (US) – 7,800 cameras for 501,178 people = 15.56 cameras per 1,000 people
11. Singapore – 86,000 cameras for 5,638,676 people = 15.25 cameras per 1,000 people
12. Abu Dhabi, UAE – 20,000 cameras for 1,452,057 people = 13.77 cameras per 1,000 people
13. Chicago, Illinois (US) – 35,000 cameras for 2,679,044 people = 13.06 cameras per 1,000 people
14. Urumqi, China – 43,394 cameras for 3,500,000 people = 12.40 cameras per 1,000 people
15. Sydney, Australia – 60,000 cameras for 4,859,432 people = 12.35 cameras per 1,000 people
16. Baghdad, Iraq – 120,000 cameras for 9,760,000 people = 12.30 cameras per 1,000 people
17. Dubai, UAE – 35,000 cameras for 2,883,079 people = 12.14 cameras per 1,000 people
18. Moscow, Russia – 146,000 cameras for 12,476,171 people = 11.70 cameras per 1,000 people
19. Berlin, Germany – 39,765 cameras for 3,556,792 people = 11.18 cameras per 1,000 people
20. New Delhi, India – 179,000 cameras for 18,600,000 people = 9.62 cameras per 1,000 peopleRe: Six U.S. Cities Make the List of Most Surveilled Places in the World
#10I’d like to know how much recorded video sees human review. My impression is that cities don’t have the budget to manually review footage unless a crime is reported. I’d also be curious who has access to the recordings - if it were my decision, there’d be a nuclear missle-style buddy system and chain of custody, but I doubt it’s that secure in practice.