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iPhone 11 Pro Camera Review

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Re: iPhone 11 Pro Camera Review

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Post by criley2 »

mfer wrote: post #96
mewse-hn wrote: post #41

How could anyone read this without knowing it's an advertisement: "today I’m just as thrilled to be putting an entirely new Ultra Wide lens in my pocket. It gives us another format to tell the story, another perspective to visualize, and a better rounded tool for doing our best creative work."

Does the author have a bias? Certainly. Is this an advertisement? Ads are paid announcements. There was nothing noting it was paid for in any capacity. There's a difference between an ad and a bias. I find it useful to notice biases because we all have them. Ads are quite different.

He received a device in exchange for his review, so yes he was paid.

Re: iPhone 11 Pro Camera Review

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Post by kipchak »

jug wrote: post #35

I feel for the compact camera manufacturers. Smartphones killed the 2/3" sensor market. Now they've killed the 1" sensor market too. Micro 4/3 is stale with no major sensor advancements for years now. What's left, APS-C and up?

Mirrorless cameras seem to be fleeing uphill towards larger sensors, with the Sony A7s and Fuji medium formats.

Re: iPhone 11 Pro Camera Review

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Post by fock »

dagw wrote: post #105
fock wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From a technical point of view I'm quite sure my >10 years old Rebel XSi will yield similar photos after editing the raw-file. If you are impressed by this you're probably not really following the tech, don't have any clue about image processing and are just blindly following what Apples advertising is selling you. Most of the "cool" iphone-pictures in non-optimal lighting are about 50% post-processing and they show…

Rebel XSi will yield similar photos after editing the raw-file Well obviously. The whole point here and the impressive part of the technology is that you get these results by simply pointing and shooting in full auto mode, no manual post processing and with tiny optics and sensors.

I don't think it's that impressive to buy a 1100$ phone (which for the most part does nothing more than a 100$ one...) and then justify the price/novelty with the "new" camera, when you can get a much better camera (which will not be obsolescent for a quite long time) for 400$.

And actually I'm also not really impressed by image-improvement algorithms anymore, the likes of them have been pretty standard for some time now across vendors (it's not 2010 any more), yet picture quality isn't anywhere above snapshot-level.

Re: iPhone 11 Pro Camera Review

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Post by penagwin »

DonHopkins wrote: post #11
henryaj wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Good question. To remove GPS metadata perhaps?

I always thought it would be safer to forge the GPS data so it points to a police station, instead of just removing it. Then your stalkers and thieves might be arrested for loitering and breaking and entering there, instead of at your own home.

> Then your stalkers and thieves might be arrested for loitering and breaking and entering there, instead of at your own home.

So I have 0 experience as a stalker - but won't they put that data into Google maps, see it's a police station, and probably assume that isn't your home?

You'd have to be really brave and stupid to loiter and break and enter a station thinking it was somebody's home.

Re: iPhone 11 Pro Camera Review

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Post by sh-run »

wrboyce wrote: post #49
mtw wrote: post #38

I would love a high-resolution photos of these. The small size look amazing for phones like Huawei P30 Pro or Samsung Note 10, but then you realize that the full size version has blotched textures or excessive sharpness

Gruber has the originals on his review: https://daringfireball.net/2019/09/the_iphone_11_and_iphones...

People have always questioned the usefulness of smaller sensor cameras (Ie M43) with the improvement in cellphone cameras, but it looks like I'll still carry my Olympus EM5.2 when I travel.

The iPhone 11 gets great social media photos, but I wouldn't want to get any of those printed (at least not larger than 4x6). Of course the best camera is the one you have with you so I am still happy to see the improvements over my Xr and my wife's 8+.

Re: iPhone 11 Pro Camera Review

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Post by tjr »

overcast wrote: post #31
jonlucc wrote: post #4

The photography in these kinds of reviews is amazing, and the camera looks pretty stellar compared to the XS, but I find myself reading them wondering if it will make my pictures any better. I'm a mediocre photographer at best, and I'm certainly not going to be able to capture many images like the ones in this review.

The key elements to these photos basically come down to dramatic lighting(dawn/dusk), leading lines(look at the bridge and waterway shots, your eyes are guided to the mountains and the horizon), and the rule of thirds(dividing your image up into quadrants, and keeping important subjects at their intersections). Basic stuff, but as always requires LOTS of practice and experimentation.

I recently got back home from a trip to Alaska. While I hauled a couple of SLR cameras, bag of lenses, and tripod, around with me, I also took a bunch of pictures with my iPhone XS. The iPhone pictures were pretty impressive, but for exactly the reason you suggest... being at some impressive-looking places at a good time.

The iPhone is certainly a decent point-and-shoot camera.

Re: iPhone 11 Pro Camera Review

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Post by anonu »

Its amazing to me that the smartphone wars are now just about cameras.... and more broadly content generation.

It also amazes me that everyone's is wooed over these iPhone specs. I've had my OnePlus 7T Pro for a few months now. Most of the top-line specs match or beat the new iPhone. Nightscape on the OnePlus is also amazing - takes great low light photos.

Seems like iPhone has been chasing some of the more advanced Android-phones for a few generations now.

Re: iPhone 11 Pro Camera Review

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Post by m000 »

mfer wrote: post #96
mewse-hn wrote: post #41

How could anyone read this without knowing it's an advertisement: "today I’m just as thrilled to be putting an entirely new Ultra Wide lens in my pocket. It gives us another format to tell the story, another perspective to visualize, and a better rounded tool for doing our best creative work."

Does the author have a bias? Certainly. Is this an advertisement? Ads are paid announcements. There was nothing noting it was paid for in any capacity. There's a difference between an ad and a bias. I find it useful to notice biases because we all have them. Ads are quite different.

Ok, it's not an ad. It's an advertorial. Happy now?

And he's just beating the strawman with his review.

- Did we need a "review" to learn that the new iPhone can shoot better pictures than previous iPhones?

- Where are all the full-resolution pictures–especially from the night shots? Everything looks nice and sharp if you scale it to 750x560. Even for the single lens camera of my 3 years-old android.

- Would it break Apple's heart to include a comparison of their "pro camera" with a real professional camera? Even a low-end one.

And let's not stick with the payment thing. We have no way to verify whether or not he received or will receive compensation from Apple. If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's a duck.

Re: iPhone 11 Pro Camera Review

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Post by endorphone »

criley2 wrote: post #131
mfer wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does the author have a bias? Certainly. Is this an advertisement? Ads are paid announcements. There was nothing noting it was paid for in any capacity. There's a difference between an ad and a bias. I find it useful to notice biases because we all have them. Ads are quite different.

He received a device in exchange for his review, so yes he was paid.

Apple doesn't give out devices (unlike a variety of other companies that do). They lend it for review or development purposes and then you return it. That's how they work. Of course that is still a gift of sorts given that it gives some people a headstart, but for some random photographer that doesn't seem to be selling anything or have ads...eh, it's kind of a not super big value.

Further he never thanked Apple. He thanked a maker of a camera app for iOS. At most it seems to be an ad for a camera app, and they likely provided the device to him.

Re: iPhone 11 Pro Camera Review

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Post by ngngngng »

anonu wrote: post #137

Its amazing to me that the smartphone wars are now just about cameras.... and more broadly content generation. It also amazes me that everyone's is wooed over these iPhone specs. I've had my OnePlus 7T Pro for a few months now. Most of the top-line specs match or beat the new iPhone. Nightscape on the OnePlus is also amazing - takes great low light photos. Seems like iPhone has been chasing some of the more advanced…

I hate my one plus 7 pros camera. It's terrible after a Pixel 2. I'm planning on getting my wife a Pixel 4 so one of us has a good camera.
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