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Re: Vote Today on Senate H-1B Bill

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> It eliminates the per-country cap, which meters issuance of green cards so that they are distributed to applicants from all countries I'm not an especially pro-diversity person, but won't this just mean Indians will get 99% of green cards with immigrants from all other countries fighting over the remaining 1%? I don't know if that's a good thing necessarily, change my view. This perception is just based on my own c…

The Philippines, Mexico, and China hit their cap as well, so they would benefit as well.

They will eventually, but two things: 1. Before they benefit from it, they will need to wait like 10+ years because of the initial impact from India. 2. Immigration laws change constantly (on the magnitude of 10 years), TBH, who knows how it's gonna change in the next ten years. So, to hope something that will eventually benefit people (in like 10 years) and hurt them now, I don't see much hope in it.

Re: Vote Today on Senate H-1B Bill

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I don't understand how this would go through with unanimous consent. Diversity is the lifeblood of America. We don't want immigrants that are proportional to the rest of the world's population - we want the different ideas and ways of thinking from all over the world. The other day, I was at a table with a white American, a Tunisian, an Omani, a Turk and an Indonesian, and it was some of the best conversation I've ha…

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Re: Vote Today on Senate H-1B Bill

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As an immigrant myself I don't support this bill as this means we will have more green card holders from just two countries, India and China, and hence less diversity.

If diversity is so dear to you, you must be up in arms about family based immigration, which is much bigger piece of the 1 million GCs and its not that diverse there!

Re: Vote Today on Senate H-1B Bill

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> It eliminates the per-country cap, which meters issuance of green cards so that they are distributed to applicants from all countries I'm not an especially pro-diversity person, but won't this just mean Indians will get 99% of green cards with immigrants from all other countries fighting over the remaining 1%? I don't know if that's a good thing necessarily, change my view. This perception is just based on my own c…

The problem is how we define diversity. People from Luxembourg, Switzerland, and Monaco are considered different from each other. But people from Punjab, Kerala, and Assam are not. I’ll argue that people from the latter group of states from India are as diverse as people from the former group of countries from Europe. And because those Indian states have bigger populations than many countries, obviously those states will produce more talented people whom we’d want to keep in USA. For reference, one state in India, Uttar Pradesh, has a population of 200m.

Re: Vote Today on Senate H-1B Bill

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> It eliminates the per-country cap, which meters issuance of green cards so that they are distributed to applicants from all countries I'm not an especially pro-diversity person, but won't this just mean Indians will get 99% of green cards with immigrants from all other countries fighting over the remaining 1%? I don't know if that's a good thing necessarily, change my view. This perception is just based on my own c…

Yes, to answer your question, the GC will be given to people from one country for a decade or more.

In the same time, people from Philippines, China etc will EVENTUALLY benefit from it, but before that "benefit", they will suffer more than 10 year wait because of the initial impact of this bill.

Re: Vote Today on Senate H-1B Bill

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> It eliminates the per-country cap, which meters issuance of green cards so that they are distributed to applicants from all countries I'm not an especially pro-diversity person, but won't this just mean Indians will get 99% of green cards with immigrants from all other countries fighting over the remaining 1%? I don't know if that's a good thing necessarily, change my view. This perception is just based on my own c…

1. The US issues approximately 1M greencards every year - employment based petitions are around 10% of that number 2. The bill does a gradual rollout of eliminating the cap - so most people who have already applied for a green card and are in the US should not be affected 3. Employment based green cards are allocated based on skills - there's a specific allocation of 50K green cards just for diversity every year. Tha…

I believe the problem of the "gradual roll out" is it doesn't consider people from the countries that already exceed the per country limit, those people will wait a long time before they can get the green card.

Re: Vote Today on Senate H-1B Bill

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As an immigrant myself I don't support this bill as this means we will have more green card holders from just two countries, India and China, and hence less diversity.

Also add to your comment, every time this bill comes up in the news, it says people from India and China will benefit from it. But the reality is, only people from India will so because currently the wait time for people born in China is about 4 years, after the bill, for the next 10 years, no GC will be given to people born in China because the long waitlist from India.

In fact, no one from China I know supports this bill.

Re: Vote Today on Senate H-1B Bill

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> It eliminates the per-country cap, which meters issuance of green cards so that they are distributed to applicants from all countries I'm not an especially pro-diversity person, but won't this just mean Indians will get 99% of green cards with immigrants from all other countries fighting over the remaining 1%? I don't know if that's a good thing necessarily, change my view. This perception is just based on my own c…

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Re: Vote Today on Senate H-1B Bill

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As an immigrant myself I don't support this bill as this means we will have more green card holders from just two countries, India and China, and hence less diversity.

If diversity is so dear to you, you must be up in arms about family based immigration, which is much bigger piece of the 1 million GCs and its not that diverse there!

That's a multiplying factor on top of H-1Bs, so it makes sense to address the "problem" upstream.
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