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Re: Ask HN: Where can I find remote or quality oriented freelancing work?

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Sign up on moonlightwork.com. It’s a great community for this exact sort of thing. The advice here sucks. Don’t give up on this idea. I make my living freelancing and a fair portion of that income is from Moonlight.

I joined moonlightwork early on. Never have landed a job through it, or any other freelancing site (so I suppose I can't say whether it's any better or worse than the rest). At various points throughout my career, I've fantasized about quitting Full time work and freelancing. I gave up on the idea after a few potential clients wanted me to work for peanuts. Close as I got was a few short-lived negotiations where I re…

Just emailed you - but happy to provide some advice! It takes skills beyond code, such as positioning, writing, and sales to successfully close freelance gigs. We're averaging a little over $100/hr on Moonlight gigs.

Freelancing is a numbers game - you need to have a funnel of work in order to keep a stable income. We try to screen out bad clients as much as possible on Moonlight, but you'll run into them and need to know when to just say no. It's the same challenges most small businesses have anywhere in the world.

Finally, if you want to get philosophical, Gresham's Law in economics is really illustrated here - "bad money drives out good". Basically, the people who are trying to pay below-market are constantly looking for workers. People who pay fair wages are not having turnover, so not hiring as often. It's just something to keep in mind - that the cross-section of people looking to hire does not accurately represent the transactions of the overall industry.

Re: Ask HN: Where can I find remote or quality oriented freelancing work?

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Sign up on moonlightwork.com. It’s a great community for this exact sort of thing. The advice here sucks. Don’t give up on this idea. I make my living freelancing and a fair portion of that income is from Moonlight.

Seconding this ^^ only had awesome experiences here. Feel free to reach out if you've got any questions.

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Re: Ask HN: Where can I find remote or quality oriented freelancing work?

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I happen to run a small company with a website built in PHP and I get several generic emails every couple of days from random individuals and fly-by-night "SEO consultancies", claiming that they "found issues on my website", "could help optimize website", "get us reach top Google positions" etc. Most of this is auto-generated junk based on some keyword scrapping, but given the volume of it, I don't think it's possibl…

I'm in a very similar boat to you, I think I've deleted three messages this morning... But it would still be possible to get my attention. The average message is something along the lines of Hi {name}. I was at your site {domain} and had some ideas. [the same copy every single person gets] If instead someone emailed me something that showed that they not only knew what domain they were mailing but understood what our…

Kudos for "quarter of the bugs" and not "no bugs", seems like a great and honest developer.

Re: Ask HN: Where can I find remote or quality oriented freelancing work?

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I've been using upwork.com for a few months now and I'm getting regular projects as a mobile developer. Interesting ones too, sometimes to patch up an existing project, sometimes to start a new one. It took roughly a month though until the first clients started responding to my applications. Create a sexy profile and be patient.

I can vouch for upwork. The initial warmup phase can be a little rough, but if you use it consistently it's really good. I've probably billed 20-30k in work on there part-time.

At what hourly rate?

Re: Ask HN: Where can I find remote or quality oriented freelancing work?

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I started with Upwork 10+ years ago (when they were still oDesk) and I never looked back. Best decision ever of my life. I can afford to enjoy my projects, while doing what I love, and I never have the feeling of work, but of playing. The problem with Upwork is initial drawing of clients to build a profile with a good score. Once you did that, you're in the clear. Just like in any other places, there are plenty of ba…

I know people hate on Upwork/Freelancer but they are a good platform but you have to look at it like starting your career again.

Start with low prices. Turn over projects and you'll find regular work and be able to put up prices.

You can't expect to step in at a high rate as an unknown. Also stay on the platform. They do take their cut but look at it like advertising. If you build up volume and quality reviews there is loads of reasonable paying work there.

Re: Ask HN: Where can I find remote or quality oriented freelancing work?

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I would recommend strongly against freelancing. Instead, try and join up with a remote team. YouTeam.com might be relevant. Find a team where you are a specialist, you'll earn a higher hourly rate and probably have a lot less stress. Try to pair up with a few different groups until you find one that you love, then stick with that one. Source: I did a lot of freelancing in the 2000's before joining up with a larger co…

I don’t think this will work for individuals? From the site: “Who can apply? - 50+ people on the company’s team;”

Also, "Teams of engineers you see come from top outsourcing agencies of Eastern Europe and Latin America, known for employing top quality local talent and offering much lower rates than those in the US or UK."

Re: Ask HN: Where can I find remote or quality oriented freelancing work?

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Toptal is full of BS on their screening process. I am a freelancer on Upwork for 10+ years now (at that time they were oDesk) and a few years ago I applied at Toptal, out of curiosity. The experience of the screening process where they asked to do free work on a project, disguised as a throwaway test, except the specifics of the test was too much inline with those of a ongoing project made me decline it. Also I menti…

That's factually incorrect, but I am sorry that you've found it bothersome. I don't see how you being part of a different platform, makes any difference to them. It's like saying "Hey, I interviewed at Facebook - so everyone has to immediately hire me". It is a freelancing platform and there are thousands of freelancers in their community, I'd suggest attending one of their events where you could meet & greet them, a…

Their screening process is to make sure that creme de la creme is hired, right? Me, as a successful freelancer with verifiable track means I am already that. So is like saying "hey, I worked at Facebook, not just simply interviewed, and here is a verifiable record that I did good work there, so let's skip the BS, shall we?". That was my point with them giving them my Upwork profile

Re: Ask HN: Where can I find remote or quality oriented freelancing work?

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I started with Upwork 10+ years ago (when they were still oDesk) and I never looked back. Best decision ever of my life. I can afford to enjoy my projects, while doing what I love, and I never have the feeling of work, but of playing. The problem with Upwork is initial drawing of clients to build a profile with a good score. Once you did that, you're in the clear. Just like in any other places, there are plenty of ba…

I know people hate on Upwork/Freelancer but they are a good platform but you have to look at it like starting your career again. Start with low prices. Turn over projects and you'll find regular work and be able to put up prices. You can't expect to step in at a high rate as an unknown. Also stay on the platform. They do take their cut but look at it like advertising. If you build up volume and quality reviews there…

The difference between Upwork and Freelancer is the same difference between Comcast and FANG. One is universally hated the other just partially

Re: Ask HN: Where can I find remote or quality oriented freelancing work?

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That's factually incorrect, but I am sorry that you've found it bothersome. I don't see how you being part of a different platform, makes any difference to them. It's like saying "Hey, I interviewed at Facebook - so everyone has to immediately hire me". It is a freelancing platform and there are thousands of freelancers in their community, I'd suggest attending one of their events where you could meet & greet them, a…

Their screening process is to make sure that creme de la creme is hired, right? Me, as a successful freelancer with verifiable track means I am already that. So is like saying "hey, I worked at Facebook, not just simply interviewed, and here is a verifiable record that I did good work there, so let's skip the BS, shall we?". That was my point with them giving them my Upwork profile

That still doesn't make a lot of sense.

So, you're essentially saying that the next time you apply to join a company (say Google), you should not go through whatever interview process they have because you worked at Facebook, and they should take your word for it? So you should not be going through whatever tests they subject their applicants?

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