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Cisco Is Said to Have Offered $7B-Plus for DataDog

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Re: Cisco Is Said to Have Offered $7B-Plus for DataDog

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I always wonder in these situations if there is a counter of the form, "Sure, we'll take the cash, up front please, and nobody on the team will be required to go with the company." Most people assume that this sort of demand would 'kill the deal' but sometimes there are exceptions. The reason I wonder about this is because it could create what is essentially a very wealthy core team that can already work well togethe…

What else are you paying $7B for if not the people? If I’m an acquiring company, I’m not optimizing for creating a very wealthy team that will leave and create another company. I want that team to work for me.

I've heard it said that there is a line of business wherein you buy a software company, cut costs as much as possible, and start milking existing customers. The company you buy will not grow, or be expected to last many years, but the years that they do last will be highly profitable. Enough to cover the cost of buying the business and make a nice profit along the way.

Re: Cisco Is Said to Have Offered $7B-Plus for DataDog

#82
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

A core team of pre-millionaires won't necessarily, or even likely, work the same as a core team of post-millionaires.

I would expect this exactly. Why work at all when I can drive my Ferrari collection, all damn day.

Spoken like someone who has never owned a Ferrari.

Re: Cisco Is Said to Have Offered $7B-Plus for DataDog

#83
post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A core team of pre-millionaires won't necessarily, or even likely, work the same as a core team of post-millionaires.

I would expect this exactly. Why work at all when I can drive my Ferrari collection, all damn day.

In my experience in Silicon Valley it’s more like drive the Ferrari on weekends. One weekend a coworker at Sun invited me to come up to sears point raceway and drive my rx7 on the track.

I showed up and there were a handful of people, turns out the coworker had rented the whole track (and skid pad) for the weekend for “trying out” different driving moves. I expect it cost them less than $100,000 for the weekend.

But the engineer in question here probably had a net worth of more than $50M and yet they came into work every day and built cool stuff.

Now the Sun case was more “typical” of the valley at the time where a company goes public and now there are lots of millionaires in the ranks. Same thing at Google when they went public, and Facebook. In my experience it is the unusual case that the newly wealthy person quits work and pursues a life of idle hedonism.

Not saying that it doesn’t happen, just saying that there is an alternative response to being wealthy.

Re: Cisco Is Said to Have Offered $7B-Plus for DataDog

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They may be great, but are they 7.8 billion dollars of great? For comparison, Hanes (the underwear people) has a 6 billion market cap and Dish Network is 18 billion.

They charge $15/host and their service is good enough that you can often say that's well worth it, so I think so.

$15/host sounds extremely expensive! Is that per year?

My no money side project startup has 5 micro instances and could not imagine paying $75 per month

Re: Cisco Is Said to Have Offered $7B-Plus for DataDog

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Interesting given the prior acquisition of AppDynamics. If true, I think they should have taken the deal.

My reasoning: I worked in the APM space and there appeared to be an upper limit to how much companies were willing to spend on APM and related technologies that caps the opportunity. In general, the charging per agent/server model runs into trouble on big infrastructure - do I cover production? What about staging? If I don't cover staging, then am I creating a testing/QA problem? Etc. It just becomes a much tougher sell when you get over $500k. Hell, over $200k. I would regularly hear companies say things like "well, we can cover half of production because I can't bring that to our CEO - he'll freak."

So I think that might be part of what we're seeing with New Relic's recent revenue performance (they recently cut guidance on full year revenue). New Relic does about $600m a year and is valued at $3.5b - their max value was about 2x that - so $7b.

Caveats: - Are they growing faster? Absolutely. - Are they a great company? Absolutely. - Does taking the deal and giving up full control of your company always make sense? Of course not. - Is money the only metric of success? No of course not. - Does it matter when you're talking billions? Probably not.

Re: Cisco Is Said to Have Offered $7B-Plus for DataDog

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Offtopic, but I'm not sure I've ever read a more American phrase than "pre-millionaire".

https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/John_Steinbeck > Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat, but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires.

This!!!! made my day :)

Re: Cisco Is Said to Have Offered $7B-Plus for DataDog

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post #8

I always wonder in these situations if there is a counter of the form, "Sure, we'll take the cash, up front please, and nobody on the team will be required to go with the company." Most people assume that this sort of demand would 'kill the deal' but sometimes there are exceptions. The reason I wonder about this is because it could create what is essentially a very wealthy core team that can already work well togethe…

What else are you paying $7B for if not the people? If I’m an acquiring company, I’m not optimizing for creating a very wealthy team that will leave and create another company. I want that team to work for me.

> What else are you paying $7B for if not the people?

Uhhhh, customers?

Re: Cisco Is Said to Have Offered $7B-Plus for DataDog

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post #8

I always wonder in these situations if there is a counter of the form, "Sure, we'll take the cash, up front please, and nobody on the team will be required to go with the company." Most people assume that this sort of demand would 'kill the deal' but sometimes there are exceptions. The reason I wonder about this is because it could create what is essentially a very wealthy core team that can already work well togethe…

A core team of pre-millionaires won't necessarily, or even likely, work the same as a core team of post-millionaires.

> A core team of pre-millionaires won't necessarily, or even likely, work the same as a core team of post-millionaires.

At the maturity of a company like Datadog post-would-be-acquisition is all about cross-selling your product into existing enterprise accounts, not necessarily enhancing the product. So this woulda actually save them money.

Say what you want about Oracle, but this is their modus operandi and it's worked.*

*- asterisk bc they have to continually do it like a treadmill in order to stay afloat.

Re: Cisco Is Said to Have Offered $7B-Plus for DataDog

#90
post #68

I think agent based monitoring product companies like Datadog doing very good and selling the company eventually. The problem they solve is perennial and there is no Amazon/Google in this domain. Early example I saw is boundary acquired by BMC. One company I worked earlier where we built agentless monitoring.

Why do you think Amazon/Google is not in the same space - with Cloudwatch, X-ray and other similar tools from Google - they are in the same space - even though the egress cost associated with Amazon/Google are low for constant data export from your server.. If I was looking from security perspective - its easier to integrate internally when you are running on any of the cloud providers
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