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Smart TVs sending sensitive user data to Netflix and Facebook
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Unscrew the back of your TV, the internal Wi-Fi antennas may well be be easily identified and disconnected. e.g. https://emfaction.userecho.com/communities/1/topics/124-disa...
Fun fact: If the signal is reasonably strong, Wi-Fi will sometimes still work even with the antenna disconnected.
If there is an unwanted and wide-open AP within range of an antenna-less smart TV, you have an unusual problem with countless fun and creative solutions.
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#413Do they send data from games consoles? I watch TV entirely through my PS4, with the actual smart TV not hooked up to my wifi. I presume that would stop TV companies from getting my data, but then again Sony might sell it themselves.
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An acquaintance attempted that with Kindle, by keeping it in flight mode. After some days it popped up a message kindly asking to give it some network access. After a few more days it simply ignored the flight mode and connected to get fresh ads. Edit: I've checked with my wife who has an ad supported Kindle for over a year and keeps it in flight mode for months at a time. It never did that to her. So either Amazon c…
Nothing I've purchased matches the level of outright disgust I feel for the Kindle and it's ads.
Given that you can pay just a little bit of money to have it be ad free, it seems that your level of outright disgust isn’t that high.
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Not for attribution. It’s for exposure. If Pepsi buys $1M in ads on NBC, it only knows the DMA and time slot/programs it bought the ads on. It doesn’t know the households it bought the ads on. With ACR data, it will know that you were exposed. From there, they can do a few different things. Audience studies (like they reached 2000 households with a certain income etc). Or they can run attribution studies. A company c…
What's funny about this is that I think this is a legitimate and relatively non-evil use case. It all comes down to lack of transparency/oversight and the option to exercise control as an individual.
Inscape, an ACR company, have this revealing paragraph on their blog. Note the "following your IP from the exposure to the ad, to the sales funnel" part:
"Advertisers like ACR data because it provides second-by-second feedback on how their ads are performing. Nielsen provides its data in 15-minute blocks, so if viewers tuned out after the first ad in a pod, the advertiser has no way of knowing. And since IP addresses are included, companies like iSpot.tv and Data + Math are able to use that information to create multi-touch attribution ratings that help advertisers understand how certain ads and placements helped move viewers through the sales funnel, from seeing the ad, to googling the product to actually buying it. It’s a lengthy process that requires a lot of data and a lot of rigor, but it’s an excellent way to prove to marketers that TV advertising actually works."
https://www.inscape.tv/resources/why-acr-data-is-poised-to-b...
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>And Apple respects your privacy. And you really believe that?
Pretty much, yes. Because respecting my privacy fits their business model. Consider that even the most trivial thing that makes Apple look bad gets leaked. If Apple was selling your private information, it would have leaked long before now. Also their financial reports show no indication of revenues that could be associated with private information marketing.
Nobody sells data, like pay and get hdd with data. They "analyze" it and sell results, or "allow access" for "optimization" of whatever. Or they have "partnership" and "exchange". Or they slightly obscure data (of course insufficiently) and then sell whatever resulted claiming that they don't sell "data". And so on, whole departments work full time on the ways to bullshit regulatory authorities into thinking that they don't sell personal data. (And they here I mean corporations in general).
And regarding Apple - I hear this "not their business model" argument often but I see zero real life reasons why it couldn't be but we wouldn't know it. It is like saying that "John only trades tomatoes, it is impossible to him to sell cucumbers, it is not his business model". How is even related, monster corporations have multiple divisions with multiple business models, one doesn't exclude another.
PS: this is for the sake of discussion. Personally I also tend to think that Apple collects much less data than FAGM, and there were experiments that indirectly support this theory. I'm thinking about moving to Apple ecosystem but it is rather costly and will cause vendorlock. Not an easy choice.
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> When can I buy a TV without smart features? There is a limited selection of 'dumb' TVs in the world. The 50-inch Sceptre E505BV-FMQK has no "smart" capabilities and lacks WiFi or Ethernet. The usual advice is to simply not connect the internal "smart" capabilities to anything; disable WiFi and don't connect a Ethernet cable. The built-in host and all the nefarious crap it wants to run can't reach anything unless yo…
NEC makes displays in their industrial display division that are _just_ displays. A few have an atsc tuner. The prices don't seem outrageous. https://www.necdisplay.com
Nice to see. Though it's hard to tell if these feature HDR support, despite the 'Ultra HD' nomenclature. On one sister site it mentions 'HDR support*' with a footnote that a 'HDR signal display is possible' which makes me dubious.
As one of the draws of Ultra HD displays for consumers is HDR content which has become more common with online films/tv, UHD Blu-Rays and games.
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#418I tried to never connect my Smart TV to anything, but I realized one day (when someone's stuff was playing on it without me accepting any request...) it connected an open network in my residence. The only trick that worked to prevent it from connecting was putting the wrong password, and let it loop forever, trying to connect. Ugly.
you can block any device by their mac on your router
Some TVs will connect to your neighbours' open wifi, so no, you can't, unfortunately.
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Five years from now, 5G will be widely deployed, with a connection density of 1M/sqkm, 1000 times larger than 4G. The TV will connect directly to the 5G network without asking for permission. For your convenience [TM].
At which point I hope there will be websites describing how to take the TV apart and disable the 5G modem. Or somebody will invent a small short-range backhaul-less 5G spoof microcell you can put next to the TV that will confuse the TV's modem into connecting to nothing. Or just wrap the TV in a Faraday cage. But keeping the screen visible might make that tricky.
At that point TV may become a thin sheet of everything integrated in a single piece of electronics. They are already close to it.
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As long as I can keep the TV offline to operate it I'm fine with it. The day it needs to be online to work is where I'll be seriously pissed enough that I'll return it without hesitation.
How can you be sure it's offline? Possibly it has wireless capabilities that work without your consent..
You can see what devices are connected to your router for one. Also not if you: factory reset or change the password.