Caesarean babies have different gut bacteria, microbiome study finds • Hacker News Board

Re: Caesarean babies have different gut bacteria, microbiome study finds

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Post by homero » Thu, Sep 19, 2019, 5:08 AM UTC

robbiep wrote: post #93

Syzygies wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It certainly affects gut biome, personal observation and what I've read. Michael Douglas also believes this caused his cancer. It's a cliche that the kids from the rich side of town, who didn't put dirt in their mouths growing up, are the ones who get mono in college. Farm kids are healthiest; our immune systems need regular work they can manage.

Michael Douglas’ cancer was caused by HPV - a Virus not a bacteria. HPV is a well known oncogenic Virus

Yeah but he jokes about it being from cunnilingus

Re: Caesarean babies have different gut bacteria, microbiome study finds

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Post by DoingIsLearning » Thu, Sep 19, 2019, 5:11 AM UTC

uxhacker wrote: post #42

unixhero wrote: post #24

This is old news.

I thought the same, but No, as the original hypothesis was the bacteria came from the vaginia, but this study shows it comes from gut. It maybe because during delivery women often have anal fissures.

I am not an obstetrician but I am pretty sure that fecal transfer is far more likely because of acccidental pooping while 'pushing' instead of anal tearing/fissures.

Re: Caesarean babies have different gut bacteria, microbiome study finds

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Post by aszantu » Thu, Sep 19, 2019, 5:13 AM UTC

I was depressed for half my life, I read on gut microbiome about 5 years ago(swapping the gut microbiome of mices changes their character) but didn't put it together until I switched my diet to meat only. Any kind of sugar seems to trigger depression for me, that sadly means that I can't eat plants. And current push for plant based diets worries me a lot. I was a C-Section baby.

Re: Caesarean babies have different gut bacteria, microbiome study finds

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Post by HillaryBriss » Thu, Sep 19, 2019, 5:25 AM UTC

refurb wrote: post #69

The biggest question that surround all this microbiome discussion is - does the difference even matter? Note that you can significantly alter your gut microbiome simply by changes to your diet. Right now the link between the microbiome and allergies is tenuous at best.

> does the difference even matter?

The article seems to say the answer is yes:

...scientists think that the initial exposure to bacteria at the moment of birth could be a “thermostat” moment for the immune system, defining its sensitivity and which strains of bacteria trigger a response.

Re: Caesarean babies have different gut bacteria, microbiome study finds

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Post by pinky1417 » Thu, Sep 19, 2019, 5:28 AM UTC

Having a c-section might not be the underlying cause of the problem. Doctors carry out c-sections when a vaginal birth would create complications for the mother or the child. I.E. the mother or child was already "sicker" prior to the c-section.

I'd love to see a randomized control trial for this. To do it ethically, the trial could be designed like the CRASH trials. In those trials, doctors received patients with head injury and administered a placebo or corticosteroids. Since it was unclear whether corticosteroids helped or hurt, it was ethical for doctors to randomize patients. For births, only situations where it's 50/50 between a c-section and vaginal birth would qualify. Perhaps it's too small a subset to be workable or perhaps it's never 50/50, but that type of trial would provide much stronger evidence for this intriguing idea.

On a personal note, I was a c-section baby and seem OK!

Re: Caesarean babies have different gut bacteria, microbiome study finds

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Post by qbaqbaqba » Thu, Sep 19, 2019, 5:28 AM UTC

Syzygies wrote: post #40

Many of us Caesarian babies didn't get "vaginal seeding" at birth, but have been trying to catch up ever since.

In later life a fecal transplant may be required.

Re: Caesarean babies have different gut bacteria, microbiome study finds

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Post by AstralStorm » Thu, Sep 19, 2019, 5:38 AM UTC

I wonder, does this relationship hold at 1 month old? 1 year?

Any decent longitudinal studies of C-section babies from elective sections removing the health based ones?

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Post by jaynetics » Thu, Sep 19, 2019, 5:41 AM UTC

aszantu wrote: post #103

I was depressed for half my life, I read on gut microbiome about 5 years ago(swapping the gut microbiome of mices changes their character) but didn't put it together until I switched my diet to meat only. Any kind of sugar seems to trigger depression for me, that sadly means that I can't eat plants. And current push for plant based diets worries me a lot. I was a C-Section baby.

Eating only meat is a serious health risk.

There are other sources of protein, and many vegetables that go very well with a low carb diet.

Re: Caesarean babies have different gut bacteria, microbiome study finds

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Post by bpanon » Thu, Sep 19, 2019, 5:58 AM UTC

aszantu wrote: post #103

I was depressed for half my life, I read on gut microbiome about 5 years ago(swapping the gut microbiome of mices changes their character) but didn't put it together until I switched my diet to meat only. Any kind of sugar seems to trigger depression for me, that sadly means that I can't eat plants. And current push for plant based diets worries me a lot. I was a C-Section baby.

You can’t eat spinach or broccoli?

Re: Caesarean babies have different gut bacteria, microbiome study finds

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Post by thunderbong » Thu, Sep 19, 2019, 6:19 AM UTC

Syzygies wrote: post #40

Many of us Caesarian babies didn't get "vaginal seeding" at birth, but have been trying to catch up ever since.

For a second there, I thought I was on a different site!

This is by far the most hilarious comment I've seen on HN!