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Re: Smart TVs sending sensitive user data to Netflix and Facebook

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When can I buy a TV without smart features? I don't doubt that my smart TV is reporting some data about my usage, but I barely have a choice in the matter.

NewEgg — look under “digital signage” / “commercial displays”: https://www.newegg.com/Commercial-Displays/SubCategory/ID-30...

Re: Smart TVs sending sensitive user data to Netflix and Facebook

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The article cites things like location, IP addresses, and the content being watched. That's a far cry from relaying an audio recording of a surgical conference containing HIPAA-sensitive data.

No, the above comment (not article) mentions screenshots. If I have an x-ray of someone on my screen along with patient name then how is that not personal information that could be screen shotted and sent to some endpoint?

That would be. Is there evidence screenshots like this are being sent?

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When can I buy a TV without smart features? I don't doubt that my smart TV is reporting some data about my usage, but I barely have a choice in the matter.

Buy a dell monitor [1] or similar. Please link any similar products from competitors here, this company is just the one I know of that comes to mind.

[1] eg https://www.dell.com/en-au/work/shop/accessories/apd/210-aqx...

Re: Smart TVs sending sensitive user data to Netflix and Facebook

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The article mentions this bit: > The researchers also found that other smart devices including speakers and cameras were sending user data to dozens of third parties including Spotify and Microsoft. Maybe someone can find the referenced studies to see what data is actually sent...

That the devices have speakers and cameras doesn't mean they're sending the speaker and camera data to those third-parties.

actually, I'm reading this entirely different...

> other smart devices including speakers and cameras

In my perspective, these are other devices entirely, like smart speakers and those video hubs the FAANG companies produce, or maybe entrance cameras.. Some reasoning: what kind of television doesn't have speakers.

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> "I just wish they make a dump TV with superior image quality and let the other streaming devices handling the "smart" features." They do, but from what I understand you'll pay more for such panels. As I understand it they're intended for commercial use.

So a commercial display at a commercial price, but with a commercial warranty and support. That actually sounds like the dream.

Even if the commercial price is an order of magnitude greater?

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Are you sure about this? If the TV really is phoning home with whatever is on the screen, including anything personal the owner might happen to be displaying, that's a vast set of lawsuits waiting to happen. The GDPR fines alone could be staggering. I could easily imagine spyware logging whatever TV shows you're streaming and the like, but it's hard to imagine any business in this industry having lawyers dumb enough…

Sorry, I was being a bit lazy in my comment. I didn't specify, but I don't really suspect they are sending full frames back if for no other reason than bandwidth. But, honestly fingerprinting is so similar it might as well be the same thing. Though thankfully, yes, the fingerprint calculated for something personal probably is meaningless to them, but possibly could be replaced with a reversible option

One danger is that videos can now "phone home" with the TV they're viewed on. You could torrent through Tor and take all sorts of precautions, then watch on your TV at home and leak your viewing habits. Or worse, get someone else targeted for copyright enforcement if you watch pirated content on their TV.

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post #203

When can I buy a TV without smart features? I don't doubt that my smart TV is reporting some data about my usage, but I barely have a choice in the matter.

Buy a dell monitor [1] or similar. Please link any similar products from competitors here, this company is just the one I know of that comes to mind. [1] eg https://www.dell.com/en-au/work/shop/accessories/apd/210-aqx...

sorry forgot the rest of the post.

You build your own set top box to connect to it, which can be pretty good quality while being pretty cheap [1]

If you need free to air tv plug a usb dvb dongle into it. Use Kodi, possibly witha mythtv plugin and enjoy.

[1] https://www.pine64.org/devices/single-board-computers/rock64...

Re: Smart TVs sending sensitive user data to Netflix and Facebook

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Just wait for TVs and other gadgets with built in 5g and iot sim cards that you can’t simply “skip network” on.

I was shocked when a medical device I got had a built-in CDMA modem to send telemetry to my insurance company. Thankfully there's an airplane mode.

Patient appears to not be using device, increase rates accordingly.

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My Samsung SmartTV randomly turns on itself. Sometimes, we can't turn it on and I have to remove the batteris from the remote, plug them back then it works. The UI is sooo sluggish. I just wish they make a dump TV with superior image quality and let the other streaming devices handling the "smart" features. I will not buy another Samsung electronic product.

I have the exact same problems with my Samsung Smart TV. I joke that I am "rebooting the remote" when I pop out the remote batteries about once a week. The UI seems to gotten much more sluggish over the last year or two. I have a 500 Mbps internet connection, but speed tests in the TV's browser measure only 40 Mbps (on Wi-Fi or Ethernet). The TV's apps load images and data as if I'm on a 2G connection. The Amazon and…

And people thought programming VHS-recorders was bad, we somehow managed to make something even worse.

Re: Smart TVs sending sensitive user data to Netflix and Facebook

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I couldn't find info in the article about the whether LG (WebOS) Smart TV's still do this even if you opt-out of all the "Channel Plus" and other sketchy advertising/user-tracking features in the menu. I guess it's time to fire up Wireshark. I love these TV's because they can be integrated with home automation like Home Assistant. But maybe it's time to put it on a VLAN with no access to the WAN.

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