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Re: Reddit was down for over two hours

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Y'know, the toll that all this activity takes on Reddit's servers gave me an idea for a sort of distributed Reddit. News links and stories assorted into topic-based groups, with the option for users to comment or respond to others' comments in a threaded discussion. It would be completely decentralized and belong to the users, not some central media company. We could call it Users' Network, or USENET for short. We co…

I've specced out a decentralized reddit alternative a little bit, but have too many side projects. Someone please take this and build it. Let me know if you try, would love to spectate and advise on development. The key is there shouldn't be a globally consistent front page. Sorting should be done on an individual basis. Upvotes boost signal signal to peers and downvotes squelch. By propagating content scores transit…

Ex. Alice follows Bob with weight of 0.5, Dave with 0.1

Bob scores content A as 0.8, B as 0.2

Dave scored content A as 0.4, B as 0.9

Alice downloads both lists.

Alice score content A as avg(0.8 * 0.5, 0.4 * 0.1) = 0.22

Alice scores content B as avg(0.2 * 0.5, 0.9 * 0.1) = 0.095

Content A gets sorted higher than B.

Re: Reddit was down for over two hours

#122
post #31

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A website is not a subway system. There are no "huge costs" to having basic rolling deployments set up. In fact it's likely more expensive to have extended outages and maintenance windows, because it shows that there are humans running commands behind the scenes rather than automation.

Just wondering (sort of—I'm also slightly trying to point out that you're being a bit of an armchair Reddit ops person :) What makes you think that the issue Reddit faced today would be fixed by rolling deploys?

I definitely am (but we are on Hacker News after all).

Without knowing anything about this particular issue, at a basic level I'd think any non-trivial site should have a system of rolling out changes to a small percentage of servers and have automated monitoring that fires alerts if it notices any disruptions in functionality. If nothing goes wrong then gradually roll out to 100%. If something does then stop the rollout and go back to the last stable version. Then engineers can look at what went wrong.

Re: Reddit was down for over two hours

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post #94

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Exactly. Will this new platform provide a safe space for the brilliant minds at /r/fatpeoplehate? /s The problem with all anti-censorship platforms is that they become hate platforms by default, because only people who get deplatformed have an incentive to move there, and it’s mostly hateful loudmouths who get deplatformed.

Personally, I think the solution is just to give users options to censor others from their perspective instead of just trying to create some utopia that is free from hatred of any kind - which is impossible. Personally, I prefer having these disgusting people out in the open. When they do something horrendous, the paper trail can be long and damning - making it much easier to convict them. These people are usually pr…

This creates echo chambers like 4chan, 8chan, pleroma.site, gab.com & /r/The_Donald where likeminded people gather and decide bashing in the heads of LGBTQ+ people like myself is perfectly acceptable, and proceed to act out their hate in my community (Ballard, WA).

My fellow trans and gay friends have lived in Seattle without issue for decades, but now Nazis are coming here from rural Washington to attempt to murder us. This is a huge change from the past, and SPD's hate crime statistics are up significantly due to this.

Re: Reddit was down for over two hours

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i miss the fail whale. IMO, their javascript UX is awful... impossible to see all the comments in a thread! what sort of nonsense is that? old.reddit.com ftw

https://i.reddit.com/ ft-mobile-w

Wow, so quick. Thank you.

Re: Reddit was down for over two hours

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post #94

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Exactly. Will this new platform provide a safe space for the brilliant minds at /r/fatpeoplehate? /s The problem with all anti-censorship platforms is that they become hate platforms by default, because only people who get deplatformed have an incentive to move there, and it’s mostly hateful loudmouths who get deplatformed.

Personally, I think the solution is just to give users options to censor others from their perspective instead of just trying to create some utopia that is free from hatred of any kind - which is impossible. Personally, I prefer having these disgusting people out in the open. When they do something horrendous, the paper trail can be long and damning - making it much easier to convict them. These people are usually pr…

I think self managed censoring is equally impossible.

It is twitter’s model, and it puts an incredible burden on the most targeted or vulnerable users.

Or to get back to reddit, the model works for people who stay focused on a very limited set of subs; I think that would be close to your idea of personally tailored censoring, but it goes too far in the other direction IMO, unexpected information becomes very hard to reach people.

Re: Reddit was down for over two hours

#126
post #27

Y'know, the toll that all this activity takes on Reddit's servers gave me an idea for a sort of distributed Reddit. News links and stories assorted into topic-based groups, with the option for users to comment or respond to others' comments in a threaded discussion. It would be completely decentralized and belong to the users, not some central media company. We could call it Users' Network, or USENET for short. We co…

>We could implement it with blockchain.

Mining would have no monetary incentivization, so the people left controlling the network are the ones who are incentivized to push a message on your new distributed reddit.

Like with all things that have a vacuum of power, it will be filled by someone - most likely not who you really want to fill it either.

Re: Reddit was down for over two hours

#127
post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly. Will this new platform provide a safe space for the brilliant minds at /r/fatpeoplehate? /s The problem with all anti-censorship platforms is that they become hate platforms by default, because only people who get deplatformed have an incentive to move there, and it’s mostly hateful loudmouths who get deplatformed.

Personally, I think the solution is just to give users options to censor others from their perspective instead of just trying to create some utopia that is free from hatred of any kind - which is impossible. Personally, I prefer having these disgusting people out in the open. When they do something horrendous, the paper trail can be long and damning - making it much easier to convict them. These people are usually pr…

I think self managed censoring is equally impossible.

It is twitter’s model, and it puts an incredible burden on the most targeted or vulnerable users.

Or to get back to reddit, the model works for people who stay focused on a very limited set of subs (default filters are horrible); I think that would be close to your idea of personally tailored censoring, but it goes too far in the other direction IMO, unexpected information becomes very hard to reach people.

Re: Reddit was down for over two hours

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post #27

Y'know, the toll that all this activity takes on Reddit's servers gave me an idea for a sort of distributed Reddit. News links and stories assorted into topic-based groups, with the option for users to comment or respond to others' comments in a threaded discussion. It would be completely decentralized and belong to the users, not some central media company. We could call it Users' Network, or USENET for short. We co…

Do it in Rust, so it will never crash.

Re: Reddit was down for over two hours

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post #63
post #12

Reddit is the only major social media/aggregator I can think of that actually has to go offline for scheduled maintenance still. I can’t imagine the kind of shitshow it must be internally. Imagine if Facebook or Twitter had to go down regularly for “maintenance”. Heads would roll.

Steam is worse - weekly "maintenance" on Tuesday evening, where everyone is disconnected for ~10-20 minutes. It's common knowledge not to play at that time if the game uses Steam networking, otherwise you'll be kicked mid-session with a "Lost connection to Steam" error message and lose all your progress. And yes, this is happening in 2019.

PUBG regularly goes down for 4+ hour updates during prime NA server time. :/

Re: Reddit was down for over two hours

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post #55

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So, who does the moderation, new group creation, and antispam? Those were always problems.

Exactly. Will this new platform provide a safe space for the brilliant minds at /r/fatpeoplehate? /s The problem with all anti-censorship platforms is that they become hate platforms by default, because only people who get deplatformed have an incentive to move there, and it’s mostly hateful loudmouths who get deplatformed.

>The problem with all anti-censorship platforms is that they become hate platforms by default

Popper's Paradox made reality. I still remember Voat blowing up because their lawyers started making them remove comments inciting violence.

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