Mean IQ of College Grads is Dropping
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Mean IQ of College Grads is Dropping
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#2"Mean IQ of College Grads is Dropping" is basically the same statement as "more people are graduating from college."
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#3The author's conclusion that lowered admission standards are why IQ has dropped is suspect. Any number of factors could be causes for this (ex: the average amount of TV watched by a student may have increased over the last 40 years).
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#4The author's conclusion that lowered admission standards are why IQ has dropped is suspect. Any number of factors could be causes for this (ex: the average amount of TV watched by a student may have increased over the last 40 years).
AKA. Correlation != Causation.
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#5"Mean IQ of College Grads is Dropping" is basically the same statement as "more people are graduating from college."
True iff America is an IQ meritocracy, and college is an IQ measuring institution.
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#6"Mean IQ of College Grads is Dropping" is basically the same statement as "more people are graduating from college."
True iff America is an IQ meritocracy, and college is an IQ measuring institution.
The mean IQ of college grads started out as higher than the mean IQ of the overall population. As you add more people from the overall population, you would expect the college grad mean IQ to get closer to the overall population mean IQ.
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#7obv if a bigger percentage of the population goes to college they wont be as smart on average.
i mean this is article is a bit ridiculous in the sense that is trying to state this as something alarming or weird and not something obvious.
secondly i dont think intelligence matter THAT much, obv it matters but other skills matters too.
more people are graduating because we need to, not letting people in wouldnt make things better.
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#8I have a few issues with this post. First, it's a mistake to assume IQ is a perfect measure of intelligence, especially over long time scales. I'm highly suspicious of psychometrics.
Second, I don't understand US race dynamics, but would anyone care to explain why this guy split the data by race, then disregarded all Black data points? Furthermore, it's well-documented that IQ scores are culture-specific. If you're from a different culture than whomever developed the test, you will score lower. This could also apply to the micro-cultures of two races even within the same country.
Finally, he says explicitly that the "sample size is very small", which makes any results drawn from them suspect.
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#9Earlier quoted context omitted.
True iff America is an IQ meritocracy, and college is an IQ measuring institution.
The mean IQ of college grads started out as higher than the mean IQ of the overall population. As you add more people from the overall population, you would expect the college grad mean IQ to get closer to the overall population mean IQ.
Right, if your situation is just "X is the IQ cutoff for getting into college," you could infer that as more people go to college, X gets lower. But you could also see a situation in which smart people opt out of college, so even if the number of people who wanted to go to school were constant, the average IQ would drop -- e.g. fifty years ago a smart person could succeed by getting a scholarship to a great school; now said person gets 90% of what he needs to know from Wikipedia, and can spread a great idea by uploading something to Sourceforge rather than muddling through the thesis-writing, thesis-approving process.
I don't think it's just one phenomenon, and a model that either considers America a pure IQ meritocracy or assumes that college's role has changed by degree and not kind is clearly inadequate.
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#10I have a few issues with this post. First, it's a mistake to assume IQ is a perfect measure of intelligence, especially over long time scales. I'm highly suspicious of psychometrics. Second, I don't understand US race dynamics, but would anyone care to explain why this guy split the data by race, then disregarded all Black data points? Furthermore, it's well-documented that IQ scores are culture-specific. If you're f…
> I'm highly suspicious of psychometrics.
> it's well-documented that IQ scores are culture-specific.
Psychometrics is not BS. There's a mountain of data showing properties like IQ (i.e. g) are real, useful measures, not culture specific, and are highly heritable. These are inconvenient truths to a lot of people with egalitarian ideals so there's mountains of FUD clouding the cold hard facts about IQ.