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Re: Show HN: I made a jobs board for developers without degrees

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Post by JMTQp8lwXL » Wed, Sep 18, 2019, 9:50 PM UTC

kissgyorgy wrote: post #71

This shouldn't be a thing. It really doesn't matter nowadays. You can send your resume and nobody will care.

I posted a job and you wouldn't believe the number of resumes I got that had neither the education nor the experience for the role. I can see past education -- but if you don't have either, and I'm trying to fill mid-level to senior engineering roles -- I just can't consider that candidate.

If it were a junior role, and they only had bootcamp experience, then I'd consider it.

Re: Show HN: I made a jobs board for developers without degrees

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Post by dboreham » Wed, Sep 18, 2019, 9:52 PM UTC

mav3rick wrote: post #119

lostgame wrote: post #113

My lack of degree has never been relevant in my 12-year-long coding career, I have never had issues getting jobs I want and often seen them choose me over someone with a degree. Side projects, my obvious passion for coding, and eventually, of course, my experience got me where I’m at, making a triple-digit salary as a senior iOS developer at a major bank here in Canada. I’m so very glad I avoided the horrors of stude…

A lot of self taught programmers have gaps in knowledge especially when it comes to synchronization, how threading works, basic data structure and operation complexity on them. Whenever it's required they say "it's not required for web development". Of course I don't say this for all but many of them have this problem. Bootcamps don't help.

I have a degree and I know a great deal about those things. But I learned none of it in my degree. otoh the mathematics I learned in college is highly useful to me every day. ymmv.

Re: Show HN: I made a jobs board for developers without degrees

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Post by Etheryte » Wed, Sep 18, 2019, 9:56 PM UTC

Not entirely on-topic, but the cover image on your homepage is scary — it looks like the exact type of workplace I wouldn't want anyone to end up, degree or not. Noisy open office where people are like cattle, essentially the same as cubicle era, except no cubicles.

Re: Show HN: I made a jobs board for developers without degrees

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Post by kissgyorgy » Wed, Sep 18, 2019, 9:57 PM UTC

Pete-Codes wrote: post #92

kissgyorgy wrote: post #71

This shouldn't be a thing. It really doesn't matter nowadays. You can send your resume and nobody will care.

It shouldn't be but while adding jobs to the site there were tons that require a CS degree. And I know people with 13 years of experience that have been turned down for jobs due to no degree.

I personally don't want to work for a company who turns down somebody because of not having a degree. If they are not smart enough with their hiring process, it's a good sign that will be other, bigger problems too.

Re: Show HN: I made a jobs board for developers without degrees

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Post by swayvil » Wed, Sep 18, 2019, 9:57 PM UTC

In other words, jobs for devs who are willing to work cheap.

None of my dev jobs ever required a degree. None of them advertised the fact.

Re: Show HN: I made a jobs board for developers without degrees

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Post by potta_coffee » Wed, Sep 18, 2019, 9:58 PM UTC

mav3rick wrote: post #195

potta_coffee wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd like to see the statistics that demonstrate the probability you claim.

Can you also prove self learners are proficient in the same numbers as CS grads ?

I can't, but I didn't make the claim, you did.

Re: Show HN: I made a jobs board for developers without degrees

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Post by swayvil » Wed, Sep 18, 2019, 9:59 PM UTC

Etheryte wrote: post #223

Not entirely on-topic, but the cover image on your homepage is scary — it looks like the exact type of workplace I wouldn't want anyone to end up, degree or not. Noisy open office where people are like cattle, essentially the same as cubicle era, except no cubicles.

It looks like a sweatshop.

Re: Show HN: I made a jobs board for developers without degrees

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Post by gscott » Wed, Sep 18, 2019, 10:03 PM UTC

Pete-Codes wrote: post #90

benbristow wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I did Big O Notation in college and I still can't remember which notation is faster/slower. After college/university you begin to forget a lot of the specific textbook stuff and begin to replace it with the put-food-on-your-table practical stuff.

As someone without a CS this is reassuring.

Industry specific certifications can help ease the way into the job market along with a portfolio of (side) projects.

Re: Show HN: I made a jobs board for developers without degrees

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, Sep 18, 2019, 10:03 PM UTC

lostgame wrote: post #160

rmilejczz wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When as the last time understanding how threading works helped you in your day to day job? I ask earnestly as a professional self taught developer who doesn’t know how threading works and has never needed to

I’m guessing you don’t do a lot of work in games or media. o.o Geez, how about even a network call that doesn’t interrupt a UI thread?

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Re: Show HN: I made a jobs board for developers without degrees

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Post by wvenable » Wed, Sep 18, 2019, 10:08 PM UTC

samstokes wrote: post #192

wvenable wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the other side, the vast majority of applicants are completely unqualified. Do I want to increase that problem? Not at all. To be fair, I may have lost people with lower confidence in their abilities and a greater fear of failure. That doesn't sound like a great loss. I'd rather encourage people to have confidence and get over their fear than lower the requirements. It's not as if these aren't important requiremen…

I may have lost people with lower confidence in their abilities and a greater fear of failure. That HBR article I linked in the other thread actually addresses that. Their survey indicates that people are deterred less by lack of confidence in their abilities , and more by lack of confidence in your process to assess their abilities in the absence of a credential. The top-given reason (from both women and men) for no…

There is a lot of projection going on here. The simple statement that the requirements are not always (or even often) hard factors that can never be overridden should not be controversial in the least. That's true in all aspects of life.

So if you don't have a degree, you probably shouldn't let that hold you back. And maybe because you don't have a degree you should hustle a bit more than those who do. Again, that shouldn't be controversial.