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Re: KaiOS

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Post by filmgirlcw »

postcynical wrote: post #32

I used the Nokia 8110 with KaiOS as a digital detox phone during holidays. It has working email, whats app, google map, hotspot. It has enough features to "survive" and answer or triage the occasional fires from work. And it is unusable enough that i don't use it for non important stuff (chatting, browsing, etc). Ironically its bad UI/UX is it's main selling point.

That's a great solution -- as you say, the bad UI/UX would make it a great detox device. In my experience (I bought one too, though I imported it and so it doesn't work on most US 4G bands), it's so hard to use that I don't know if it would actually let me detox from a device or just drive me back to my iPhone.

(At least I'm down to only using one phone at a time. That's progress, right?)

Re: KaiOS

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Post by captn3m0 »

ct0 wrote: post #57
mikece wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you type the number wrong? I'm not finding an 8770. GSMArena.com is the place to look for specs, in my opinion. https://www.gsmarena.com/res.php3?sSearch=nokia+8770

must be talking about the 8110

Yes

Re: KaiOS

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Post by squarefoot »

ct0 wrote: post #57
mikece wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you type the number wrong? I'm not finding an 8770. GSMArena.com is the place to look for specs, in my opinion. https://www.gsmarena.com/res.php3?sSearch=nokia+8770

must be talking about the 8110

I just did a search on Ebay for the 8110 and found a shop in the UK asking more than €200 for it plus shipping. I guess the shop owner reads HN:).

Re: KaiOS

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Post by naraic0o »

JD557 wrote: post #53
5trokerac3 wrote: post #8

> As of February 2018, KaiOS Technologies has partnered with Airfind, Facebook, Google, Twitter... The Nokia KaiOS devices come with built in Google services, which instantly disqualify them for me. I don't trust that information from those phones aren't being seeded to Google.

Note that most KaiOS devices can be flashed with GerdaOS[1], which claims to be more privacy focused. 1: https://gerda.tech/

but isn't fully open[0]. it's a firmware mod than a from scratch build like lineage for android, unfortunately.

[0] https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/akftmi/comment/ef5yh...

Re: KaiOS

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Post by naraic0o »

squarefoot wrote: post #73
ct0 wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

must be talking about the 8110

I just did a search on Ebay for the 8110 and found a shop in the UK asking more than €200 for it plus shipping. I guess the shop owner reads HN:).

you can buy them on amazon uk for around £50

Re: KaiOS

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Post by fabrice_d »

holstvoogd wrote: post #13
5trokerac3 wrote: post #8

> As of February 2018, KaiOS Technologies has partnered with Airfind, Facebook, Google, Twitter... The Nokia KaiOS devices come with built in Google services, which instantly disqualify them for me. I don't trust that information from those phones aren't being seeded to Google.

Yeah it's pretty bad. You can't even uninstall them and it drains the battery in 20h instead of days. Also, you get some other crap pre-installed that cannot be removed: a few demo's of games & twitter a.o.

Google services don't run in the background so they have no effect on battery life if you don't choose to use them. This is true also for the voice assistant which is only active once you long press a key.

Re: KaiOS

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Post by captn3m0 »

captn3m0 wrote: post #7
mikece wrote: post #2

While I really like the idea of a feature phone that can has some smarts, can function as a WiFi hotspot, and has battery life to allow charging only once a week, if there's no ability to write apps that are compiled to binary code then I have to wonder how much the JavaScript VM powering aps is going to drain the battery compared to an app that was written in C/C++.

I'm very tempted to buy Nokia 8770, but I can't confirm it supports a WiFi hotspot.

Update: Found the manual online and it mentions wifi hotspot support: https://www.nokia.com/phones/en_lb/support/api/pdf/nokia-811... (Page 21)

Re: KaiOS

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Post by BrendanEich »

srbby wrote: post #52
the_duke wrote: post #4

The interesting takeaway here is: maybe Mozilla gave up on Firefox OS too early? It apparently found a market after all, albeit as a fork.

Mozilla took the slowest HTML rendering engine there is and created a whole OS using it. Then they proceeded to run it on the worst mobile hardware there was at the time. Then competent engineers forked it into KaiOS and it became a success.

Same engineers in notable cases, e.g., Fabrice Desre. Also same engine. This refutes your first sentence above.

Re: KaiOS

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Post by squarefoot »

naraic0o wrote: post #75
squarefoot wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I just did a search on Ebay for the 8110 and found a shop in the UK asking more than €200 for it plus shipping. I guess the shop owner reads HN:).

you can buy them on amazon uk for around £50

The Ebay seller says they're "unlocked" for use in EU. My concern was that the cheaper ones were imported and wouldn't work on European GSM (I still use it) and 3/4G networks.

Re: KaiOS

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Post by dngray »

CaptainZapp wrote: post #68
seniorivn wrote: post #50

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You can use dozens of android phones with custom ROM without any google services. It's usable and a lot more private than iPhone(which is only better than google because they failed to build a successful ad network) But for example if you are in any authoritarian state like china, Apple will hand over all your data to authorities, just in case. And Google at least some time before hasn't agreed to do that and got scr…

Thank you, I'll give it a serious look.

Just note you do need to think about device support when using something like LineageOS.

You can see officially supported devices on the https://download.lineageos.org website

https://stats.lineageos.org/ will give you a bit of an idea of the activity for certain models.

Checking out the forums for unofficial device activity is also a good idea https://forum.xda-developers.com

Using a site like https://www.gsmarena.com/ can be useful for comparing specs. I would also suggest looking at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_LTE_networks when determining which phone to buy.

For me, I wanted one that supported Band 28 700MHz https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/APT_band_plan_in_the_700_MHz_b...

So It's a good idea to look at phones. The OnePlus phones tend to have good support, I think in part because of the developer seed program https://www.xda-developers.com/oneplus-developer-program-cus... the Xiaomi Redmi Notes are not bad either for a cheaper phone.

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