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Re: Colorado Town Offers 1 Gbps for $60 After Years of Battling Comcast

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Post by kls »

foobarian wrote: post #95
kls wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So we had this in the Florida Keys with AT&T who is the service provider of our area. I live 2 miles out on a peninsula of an island named Summerland, anyway I bought my house and AT&T assured me that I could get DSL but fiber would not be an option. I knew it was copper all the way to my home so I figured it would be the case. Anyways, I buy said house AT&T comes out and tried to get DSL working, and the lines have…

> My point is, I don't see how allowing these "exclusive" coverage monopolies does anything but harm the consumer. I imagine a community based provider like the one in the article would be met with a host of legal challenges here. I think the problem that was trying to solve is to avoid the Comcast poles, AT&T poles, Verizon poles, RCN poles and probably others, all strung up with their own networks of cables and wir…

Funny parts is we actually have that here, the next island over (Ramrod Key), is exclusively Xfinity/Comcast and I believe Key West is split between AT&T, Comcast and Verizon (but most of it is underground there). I am not sure what the upper islands are but I would assume a mix of at least AT&T and Comcast.

Re: Colorado Town Offers 1 Gbps for $60 After Years of Battling Comcast

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Post by thaumasiotes »

technothrasher wrote: post #393
thaumasiotes wrote: post #296

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In the law, what does it mean for a country to enjoy "self-rule"?

We're not talking about the concept of national sovereignty here, we're talking about a concept derived from self-governed British colonies, which generally ran themselves unless the crown needed to step in for some reason. This is the concept at play at the municipality level that is being discussed. The cities run themselves unless the state has to step in for some reason. Just as the states run themselves unless t…

But British cities, towns, villages, hamlets, and farms also generally ran themselves unless the crown needed to step in for some reason. They still do, and this is also true of everywhere else in every other legal regime. The colonies only differ in that they're so far away that the crown generally can't step in even when it wants to.

Jews in medieval Europe were generally subject to Jewish law and not subject to the law that applied to the rest of the city. That's self-rule.

Re: Colorado Town Offers 1 Gbps for $60 After Years of Battling Comcast

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Post by schreiaj »

polpo wrote: post #374
Ididntdothis wrote: post #156

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“And I know my $50/mo rate will never rise.” Let’s hope they tie it to inflation or similar. Otherwise the system will die slowly due to underfunding.

The $50/mo rate is for charter members who signed up within the first 3 months of it being available. New customers have to pay $70/mo, which drops to $60/mo after the first year. So not everyone is paying the $50/mo rate.

Just moved to Longmont 3 weeks ago, signed up, paying $50/mo...

Re: Colorado Town Offers 1 Gbps for $60 After Years of Battling Comcast

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Post by linsomniac »

lonelappde wrote: post #342
linsomniac wrote: post #339

Aside: I can't figure out what I'd even do with 10gig symmetric at home for $300/mo. I'd be tempted to run a distro mirror for the city, the last time I ran a mirror I had 30mbps I could give to it. I'd push for 10gig at the office when it comes, but we'd have to upgrade everything except a few dev servers...

How is running a distro mirror from home better than running it from a colo or cloud service?

The primary way it's better is that many of the distro mirroring services have ways to announce the mirror for specific networks, so people requesting packages in Fort Collins could get them from a local mirror, rather than going across transit.

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Post by jahlove »

nicholasjarnold wrote: post #385
jahlove wrote: post #370

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The availability area for CenturyLink gigabit in Denver is tiny [1] and hasn't grown much over the last few years as far as I can tell. [1] https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=1iOdQ6O5Nv9AkqN29de...

I had a gigabit fiber-to-the-home connection in an area inside of Denver city limits (more than 3 years ago by the way) that is not shown on your linked map, so your data source for this is not accurate.

That is CenturyLink's map, not mine. Click "See Map":

https://www.centurylink.com/fiber/plans-and-pricing/denver-c...

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Post by tzs »

lonelappde wrote: post #342
linsomniac wrote: post #339

Aside: I can't figure out what I'd even do with 10gig symmetric at home for $300/mo. I'd be tempted to run a distro mirror for the city, the last time I ran a mirror I had 30mbps I could give to it. I'd push for 10gig at the office when it comes, but we'd have to upgrade everything except a few dev servers...

How is running a distro mirror from home better than running it from a colo or cloud service?

If that is $300/month is for uncapped 10 gig symmetric, he could serve up to a bit over 3 million gigabytes of data in a month.

That would cost something like $100k in outgoing bandwidth costs if at a cloud service.

Re: Colorado Town Offers 1 Gbps for $60 After Years of Battling Comcast

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Post by linsomniac »

jyrkesh wrote: post #399
linsomniac wrote: post #269

CenturyLink, in particular, but also Comcast, has brought this upon themselves... They are doing everything they can to protect their existing infrastructure and do as little as possible to upgrade services. I'm thinking of back in '98 when QWest was rolling out DSL, the would only connect you to a central office. They refused to put DSLAMs in the pedestals, because if they did that they had to allow CLECs to do the…

I'm in a combo CenturyLink / Comcast market, and it's AMAZING what competition between even just those two firms does to my offerings. Switched from Comcast's $90/mo gigabit with a 1 TB data cap and only 90 Mb/s upload to CenturyLink's $60/mo symmetric gigabit with no data cap. I have a contract-less "lifetime price guarantee", they did free install (which included running a fiber line from the pole to my house with…

I wonder why we are stuck with these options (in the town referenced in the post): 1gbps Comcast and 40mbps CenturyLink.

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Post by scarejunba »

mynameisvlad wrote: post #384
tehlike wrote: post #168

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Why does it matter? Because populous cities have to subsidize sparsely populated ones, and that is why prices are high?

Because it costs a whole lot more to lay down fiber across the US than it does to cover a fraction of it. The sheer distances between everything makes it incredibly difficult to build infrastructure like high speed rail, fiber across the country, etc.

Right, if you're looking at the entire country, but if you can draw a Lithuania shape that's got Lithuania-like properties, you should expect Lithuania performance within that shape.

Here's one: https://thetruesize.com/#?borders=1~!MTI4MDE3Nzc.MTIwNDM0NDM...

Naturally, the big thing is that labour costs dominate costs of everything, so we won't have gig fibre available for Lithuania costs. But the fact that we don't have gig fibre for any price universally in that region is mostly because they have the leapfrogging effect in Lithuania - they were later to the Internet than America. i.e. the size argument is a facile false explanation for the absence of the things because within the areas that have similar properties we'd expect similar performance.

In time we'll see gigabit fibre come to America, not because there is an absolute cost concern, but because as it comes time to upgrade aging infra we'll just put what's best at the time in, something that would be impossible if there were true geographic barriers.

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Post by ptero »

nicholasjarnold wrote: post #349
linsomniac wrote: post #269

CenturyLink, in particular, but also Comcast, has brought this upon themselves... They are doing everything they can to protect their existing infrastructure and do as little as possible to upgrade services. I'm thinking of back in '98 when QWest was rolling out DSL, the would only connect you to a central office. They refused to put DSLAMs in the pedestals, because if they did that they had to allow CLECs to do the…

CenturyLink has been acting in what appears to be good faith within Denver city limits in the past few (~4) years or so. They've been offering gigabit fiber service in select parts of the city for around $60-70/month for at least that amount of time. While I agree with the general sentiment about large providers needing to do more for less and faster, it seems that CL is being a good corporate citizen in Denver at le…

> CenturyLink has been acting in what appears to be good faith within Denver city limits ... offering gigabit fiber service ... for around $60-70/month

This is good, but I see higher/lower prices as a symptom, not the problem itself. My beef with Comcast and its ilk is not that their price is too high, but that they aggressively lobby to kill any viable alternatives, such as city fiber (which allows them to keep prices high and bundle "required hardware" rentals, but throw in short term incentives to appear cheaper than they are). My 2c.

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