I'm in the Philippines and I pay $200 for 10Mbps :-(
I'm in the PH as well and I pay 55 USD (2,899 PHP) per month for 100Mbps. Ok, I am happy most of the time with 10Mbps but I have occasionally a good surprise.
Colorado Town Offers 1 Gbps for $60 After Years of Battling Comcast
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Re: Colorado Town Offers 1 Gbps for $60 After Years of Battling Comcast
#42Earlier quoted context omitted.
> "upgrading our network" They actually where not doing this before because it's probably a bad idea. Modern cable networks look like this. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybrid_fiber-coaxial#/media/Fi... Fiber goes to copper which then splits out to a large number of homes. The copper line near your home can do multiple gigabit but that needs to be shared with everyone else on the tree. So selling higher speeds is ea…
Fraud yes, because they're underprovisioned if everyone asks for 1 Gb, but the ponzi scheme continues to work okay because many households will find that median 72 Mbps is enough for several vid streams so they're good to go. The bigger problem is the industry which can do horrible, abusive things to its customers and communities. They'll try anything except delighting their customers. If any of the upcoming WISP sol…
How is this a Ponzi scheme?
Re: Colorado Town Offers 1 Gbps for $60 After Years of Battling Comcast
#43Earlier quoted context omitted.
> "upgrading our network" They actually where not doing this before because it's probably a bad idea. Modern cable networks look like this. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybrid_fiber-coaxial#/media/Fi... Fiber goes to copper which then splits out to a large number of homes. The copper line near your home can do multiple gigabit but that needs to be shared with everyone else on the tree. So selling higher speeds is ea…
Fraud yes, because they're underprovisioned if everyone asks for 1 Gb, but the ponzi scheme continues to work okay because many households will find that median 72 Mbps is enough for several vid streams so they're good to go. The bigger problem is the industry which can do horrible, abusive things to its customers and communities. They'll try anything except delighting their customers. If any of the upcoming WISP sol…
> Fraud yes, because they're underprovisioned if everyone asks for 1 Gb
All residential ISPs overprovision [1] at some point or another - be it at the acccess level (as with shared mediums like DOCSIS and GPON), distribution/aggregation (metro Ethernet switch and (V)DSL DSLAM uplinks) or at peering/upstream level (always).
You cannot expect to have non-overprovisioned 1Gbps at $60/mo, when global transit is currently around $0.6/Mbps/mo. Typical overprovisioning levels range from 1:8 to 1:16.
[1] - From the point of view of offered speeds vs. underprovisioning infrastructure, as you put it.
EDIT: corrected that DSL is not shared medium
Re: Colorado Town Offers 1 Gbps for $60 After Years of Battling Comcast
#44As a FoCo resident, Comcast sent me an email saying that they're "upgrading our network" and "increasing your Internet download speed". Not really clear what that means until I see an updated rate sheet. I'm sure this is entirely a coincidence and has nothing to do with the fact that they suddenly have some competition now.
> "upgrading our network" They actually where not doing this before because it's probably a bad idea. Modern cable networks look like this. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybrid_fiber-coaxial#/media/Fi... Fiber goes to copper which then splits out to a large number of homes. The copper line near your home can do multiple gigabit but that needs to be shared with everyone else on the tree. So selling higher speeds is ea…
Basically every telecom network is built as fiber to the node not fiber to the premises. The nasty truth of all communication and transportation systems is that arteries are cheap and capillaries are expensive.
If I am building roads, it is WAY cheaper to just build highways than it is to build the small roads to everyone’s homes. When doing construction for telecom, the payback calculations are based upon “passings” which basically says “if I lay this cable, how many potential subscribers will I get?” which is a function of addressable users and sales modeling. Comcast used to believe that in a new market, competing against att only, they could win more than 50% of customers over just by connecting them to the Comcast network.
Please always remember, telecom, and transportation, are not technology businesses, they are real estate businesses. Telecom’s real estate are exclusive operation licenses, the most important of which being wireless spectrum, and the second most important of which being the places where they can exclusively tear up the earth to lay cable.
Circling back on my point at the beginning, if we laid fiber to every home, we would not need to upgrade the network connection itself for a long, long time. As it stands now, we have a lot of work to do if we want real high speed options in the future.
More fiber to the home, less fiber to distribution nodes!!
Re: Colorado Town Offers 1 Gbps for $60 After Years of Battling Comcast
#45Could someone please explain the background to someone not from the US? Why is competition so scarce in this field in the US? Is it just the cost of infrastructure over large distances, or is something else at play here?
Big ISPs (and any big company really) can afford to lobby (legal bribery) to get laws exclusively in their favor. This basically guarantees that the bar for any new player is ridiculously high if it's even possible to pass, and that customers have no real choice.
It all comes down to how easy the Roberts Court has made it for corporate entities to buy favorable treatment, giving corporations every possible advantage and loosening all restraints.
Re: Colorado Town Offers 1 Gbps for $60 After Years of Battling Comcast
#46Earlier quoted context omitted.
Fraud yes, because they're underprovisioned if everyone asks for 1 Gb, but the ponzi scheme continues to work okay because many households will find that median 72 Mbps is enough for several vid streams so they're good to go. The bigger problem is the industry which can do horrible, abusive things to its customers and communities. They'll try anything except delighting their customers. If any of the upcoming WISP sol…
> Fraud yes, because they're underprovisioned if everyone asks for 1 Gb All residential ISPs overprovision [1] at some point or another - be it at the acccess level (as with shared mediums like DOCSIS and GPON), distribution/aggregation (metro Ethernet switch and (V)DSL DSLAM uplinks) or at peering/upstream level (always). You cannot expect to have non-overprovisioned 1Gbps at $60/mo, when global transit is currently…
GPON is the least over provisioned of these, but it is definitely overprovisioned.
DSL is the worst. Local VRADs just get slammed, particularly in areas with long connection runs.
Re: Colorado Town Offers 1 Gbps for $60 After Years of Battling Comcast
#47Earlier quoted context omitted.
Is that actually a rule on here?
Es ist einfach eine Frage der Höflichkeit, dass wir in der "Quasi-Weltsprache" Englisch kommunizieren. Ich denke das trägt im Internet allgemein zum Verständnis bei und sollte dementsprechend auch hier zum guten Ton gehören. Ob man es in irgendwelche Regeln schreiben muss weiß ich nicht, ich dachte ich kann ja trotzdem mal danach fragen. Better this way?
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It is simply a matter of courtesy that we communicate English in the "quasi-world language". I think that contributes to the Internet in general for understanding and should therefore also here to good sound. Whether you have to write it in any rules I do not know, I thought I can still ask anyway.
Re: Colorado Town Offers 1 Gbps for $60 After Years of Battling Comcast
#48Earlier quoted context omitted.
So true! There is a giant federal agency, FCC, the primary purpose of which is to preserve telco monopoly. Few people realize this is FCC's purpose. As usual, it's informative to pay more attention to results than to marketing. Even supposed "reforms" (why would an agency functioning in accordance with its stated goals need reform?) like the 1996 law have primarily led to increased revenue for monopoly telcos.
Faliciously Purporting that Federal Regulatory Agencies are intended to be something because that's how they currently function doesn't lend you any credibility. Instead it makes untrustworthy and manipulative. It's completely possible to corrupt an agency and for the FCC to behave the way you described through political interference but that is not their intended purpose.
You should read the Kingsbury Accord and the history of the FCC. The origin of the FCC is fascinating.
Re: Colorado Town Offers 1 Gbps for $60 After Years of Battling Comcast
#49I live in EU. I pay 15 EUR per month for 1 Gbps.
The EU is a big(ish) and diverse place. We pay about twice that for 40Mbps VDSL and about 2.5x that for 50Mbps LTE. To be fair, we could get something slightly (~20%) cheaper as we've got a "business" deal to get static IP addresses on each connection. The fastest consumer package we could get at this location (cable) is 500Mbit/s down, 40Mbit/s up for €80/month. (Their business level contracts top out at 300/40 Mbps…
The EU is also smaller and dramatically denser than the US. Nationwide service in the US is categorically different than servicing a nation in Europe. The rollout costs are dramatically higher.
Re: Colorado Town Offers 1 Gbps for $60 After Years of Battling Comcast
#50Where America stands out in Internet deployment is that it never had a period of copper Ethernet being deployed in the last mile. And I think this is why most American's still don't see 100mb/s speeds as something normal these days.
On other hand, quite a few places in the world saw 100mb/s Ethernet as their first Internet option, and never seen a rationale to fall back to slower alternatives. For them, the speed been only growing up for the last 20 years.