Uhmm, I wonder where we will find energy for such amount of devices...
How the world will change as computers spread into everyday objects
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Re: How the world will change as computers spread into everyday objects
#22I don't want Elon Musk high on some substance, being able to control the car I drive. Or anyone, really. While it's arguably hard to make your own car, it's trivial to make an ebike, that nobody can control except you. It's trivial to not rely on cloud providers for anything. I can store mp3s (or mkvs, etc.) on a NAS and play them from a computer or a Pi. I can certainly flip switches to turn lights on or off in my h…
What an asinine way to begin a comment attempting to explain your position. I think it’s safe to say that nobody wishes another human “high on some substance” has the ability to disrupt the control of their vehicle. Where did you even pull that from?
That being said, the people who “should resist more” are the ones don’t find it “trivial” to not rely on cloud service providers. They grab IoT products like a Ring doorbell off the shelf and install it one and done.
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#23I've said this before, but the "Internet of Things" is a bad vision for the future. Dystopian, almost. I don't want every little thing to be a computer running software that is buggy, out of date, insecure, out of my control, and constantly pestering me for updates. What I want is one smart device: a robot that can operate all my non-smart devices. The robot can set the thermostat, unlock the door, flip the light swi…
Here's the utopia I'd love: The thermostat / door lock / light would present a simple documented interface exposing all the functionality available from the physical device. I'd even be okay if it was delivered via Wi-Fi or ZigBee (though I'd really prefer RS-488, RS-232, or wired Ethernet w/ PoE).
No manufacturer will do this because it limits their ability to engineer-in planned obsolescence, vendor lock-in, and recurring revenue "cloud" business models.
There are commercial and industrial-grade devices that do what I want, but they're priced for their market segment and, infuriatingly, their protocols are needlessly baroque (MODBUS, BACNET, et. al.) or proprietary.
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#24I don't want Elon Musk high on some substance, being able to control the car I drive. Or anyone, really. While it's arguably hard to make your own car, it's trivial to make an ebike, that nobody can control except you. It's trivial to not rely on cloud providers for anything. I can store mp3s (or mkvs, etc.) on a NAS and play them from a computer or a Pi. I can certainly flip switches to turn lights on or off in my h…
What an asinine way to begin a comment attempting to explain your position. I think it’s safe to say that nobody wishes another human “high on some substance” has the ability to disrupt the control of their vehicle. Where did you even pull that from? That being said, the people who “should resist more” are the ones don’t find it “trivial” to not rely on cloud service providers. They grab IoT products like a Ring door…
Elon Musk is often high and even when not, says things that are completely unacceptable. Look them up. He's loved here on HN. But even if you do love him you shouldn't give him control over your life.
Why does anyone need a Ring doorbell? Can't you just stand up and answer the door? I don't understand any of this (I do understand I'm in the wrong forum for saying so).
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#25Less hand waving, more real examples please Economist.
Agreed, this article seems like it was written 5 years ago.
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#26Earlier quoted context omitted.
What an asinine way to begin a comment attempting to explain your position. I think it’s safe to say that nobody wishes another human “high on some substance” has the ability to disrupt the control of their vehicle. Where did you even pull that from? That being said, the people who “should resist more” are the ones don’t find it “trivial” to not rely on cloud service providers. They grab IoT products like a Ring door…
Elon Musk is often high and even when not, says things that are completely unacceptable. Look them up. He's loved here on HN. But even if you do love him you shouldn't give him control over your life. Why does anyone need a Ring doorbell? Can't you just stand up and answer the door? I don't understand any of this (I do understand I'm in the wrong forum for saying so).
We can agree to disagree over Elon Musk, but I can give you a good use case for Ring off the top of my head:
My parents bought a Ring (I am heavily against it for every reason you wrote, plus I can’t stand the idea of a company owning my family’s video footage, I asked them to let me set up some sort of CCTV system but they just want the easy way)and it provides them with a quick, cheap motion activated video feed of their home straight to their phones from anywhere in the world. This isn’t even a doorbell function, the thing can be configured to detect motion over a selection of distances and send you a notification straight to a live video feed.
Sure that can be manually set up but for a lot of people who aren’t too tech savvy, grabbing something like a Ring from bestbuy is quick and easy to get running. Maybe the issue could be helped if a someone sold something like an arduino based doorbell / cam, with easy to use software or an app like Ring that didn’t call back home.
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#27I've said this before, but the "Internet of Things" is a bad vision for the future. Dystopian, almost. I don't want every little thing to be a computer running software that is buggy, out of date, insecure, out of my control, and constantly pestering me for updates. What I want is one smart device: a robot that can operate all my non-smart devices. The robot can set the thermostat, unlock the door, flip the light swi…
> What I want is one smart device: a robot that can operate all my non-smart devices. The robot can set the thermostat, unlock the door, flip the light switches, do the laundry and the dishes, monitor the house while I'm away, etc.
Sounds like what you need is a https://www.deviantart.com/plank-69/art/Mr-Handy-Advert-Fall...
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#28Shockingly, this was published last week. I was expecting a mid-90's/early-00s article. I don't understand why this is an article. Its basically saying "Imagine if the Internet of Things.... wait for it.... had more Things!" Of course you'll see an increase in efficiency, and the balance of power will shift toward larger corporations capable of harnessing said efficiency. This has been happening for 15 years. This is…
> This is not news to anyone.
Maybe it is for the people who read Economist?
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#29I've said this before, but the "Internet of Things" is a bad vision for the future. Dystopian, almost. I don't want every little thing to be a computer running software that is buggy, out of date, insecure, out of my control, and constantly pestering me for updates. What I want is one smart device: a robot that can operate all my non-smart devices. The robot can set the thermostat, unlock the door, flip the light swi…
Sounds like you want a multi-generational household. My household recently became multi-generational and it's really great! Feels like this is what it's supposed to be like.
But that's a low-tech solution. Why have a simple solution while you can have a complex one, which sucks as a bonus. Oh, and spies on you.
Re: How the world will change as computers spread into everyday objects
#30I've said this before, but the "Internet of Things" is a bad vision for the future. Dystopian, almost. I don't want every little thing to be a computer running software that is buggy, out of date, insecure, out of my control, and constantly pestering me for updates. What I want is one smart device: a robot that can operate all my non-smart devices. The robot can set the thermostat, unlock the door, flip the light swi…
Here's the utopia I'd love: The thermostat / door lock / light would present a simple documented interface exposing all the functionality available from the physical device. I'd even be okay if it was delivered via Wi-Fi or ZigBee (though I'd really prefer RS-488, RS-232, or wired Ethernet w/ PoE). No manufacturer will do this because it limits their ability to engineer-in planned obsolescence, vendor lock-in, and re…
We need the Unix philosophy in the physical world.
Our multitude of small devices themselves can stay "dumb", but it'd be a huge missed opportunity to totally cut them off from the software world.
A robot turning knobs and pushing buttons as grandparent seems to suggest is a romantic vision that doesn't hold up well to the real world.