United States Files Civil Lawsuit Against Edward Snowden • Hacker News Board

Re: United States Files Civil Lawsuit Against Edward Snowden

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Post by cwkoss » Tue, Sep 17, 2019, 10:44 PM UTC

alexfromapex wrote: post #74

abecedarius wrote: post #15

I bought the book, and I hereby commit to donating a large multiple of the price to an appropriate charity or Snowden himself if they win this suit.

I hope the government realizes how much they’re pissing everyone off by violating our rights and defending themselves for doing it

If I'm ever sent a resume that lists employment at the CIA, NSA or DOJ, it's going straight into the circular file. Red flag that they lack morals.

Since the CIA won't allow past employees to list their work experience, their taint has leaked onto anyone ever employed by the State Dept or govt contractors as well.

Re: United States Files Civil Lawsuit Against Edward Snowden

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Post by toyg » Tue, Sep 17, 2019, 10:45 PM UTC

likpok wrote: post #271

kzrdude wrote: post #260

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He's just released a book, I wonder how it is set up, can he earn the money from it or not?

If he loses the lawsuit, no (the money goes to a trust for the USG). It's possible that Macmillan paid him an advance and so he already has the money. I don't know if the feds can do much in that case.

This is indeed the case, the rumoured advance was around $100k.

Also, it's entirely possible that there will be ways for the publisher to never repatriate profits from sales abroad and/or translations.

This is just petty stuff from petty bureaucrats.

Re: United States Files Civil Lawsuit Against Edward Snowden

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Post by elhudy » Tue, Sep 17, 2019, 10:51 PM UTC

xodice wrote: post #284

Jesus, who the fuck cares about what Snowden released. I am more sad people aren't way up in arms about WHAT WE LEARNED. (Yes, I understand that sentence makes itself not make sense, but you get my point. Rushed and on mobile, but this pissed me off.) Thank you Snowden, and fuck you U.S. Government. - A U.S. Citizen

Snowden "...carefully evaluated every single document I disclosed to ensure that each was legitimately in the public interest. There are all sorts of documents that would have made a big impact that I didn't turn over"

What was released (and how), and what we learned are two separate issues. As a U.S. citizen, it's preferable that the subjective legitimacy of what best serves public interest is not in the hands of ONE person. That's why we care about what was released.

While a portion of the leaked documents might positively benefit society, who is to say the net benefit in total was positive? Call me naive but I'm unable to make the call either way, even after having read through the revelations.

Leaking that info was sure audacious but not worthy of a get-out-of-jail free card or a thank you IMO.

Re: United States Files Civil Lawsuit Against Edward Snowden

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Post by toyg » Tue, Sep 17, 2019, 10:52 PM UTC

tyri_kai_psomi wrote: post #209

okmokmz wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's like someone being stalked by a police officer being told to call the police

It's more along the lines of, and the maturity required to understand that, there are two sides to every story and the people on the "other side" are human beings, too, and in fact, not your enemy. Average Americans most of them, believe it or not. Chances are some of them have been your friend, neighbor, church member, frat bro/sorority sis, etc.

A lot of (or even most) members of totalitarian organisations are "average X", good neighbours, church members etc etc.

I'd suggest to read some Arendt.

Re: United States Files Civil Lawsuit Against Edward Snowden

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Post by monocasa » Tue, Sep 17, 2019, 10:53 PM UTC

elhudy wrote: post #303

xodice wrote: post #284

Jesus, who the fuck cares about what Snowden released. I am more sad people aren't way up in arms about WHAT WE LEARNED. (Yes, I understand that sentence makes itself not make sense, but you get my point. Rushed and on mobile, but this pissed me off.) Thank you Snowden, and fuck you U.S. Government. - A U.S. Citizen

Snowden "...carefully evaluated every single document I disclosed to ensure that each was legitimately in the public interest. There are all sorts of documents that would have made a big impact that I didn't turn over" What was released (and how), and what we learned are two separate issues. As a U.S. citizen, it's preferable that the subjective legitimacy of what best serves public interest is not in the hands of ON…

He was under a deadline, and then gave the files to journalists to decide what they thought was in the best interest, and then those journalists ran everything they were going to release by the DoD beforehand.

What more should he have done?

Re: United States Files Civil Lawsuit Against Edward Snowden

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Post by soraminazuki » Tue, Sep 17, 2019, 10:53 PM UTC

GVIrish wrote: post #273

Swizec wrote: post #231

Something that never made sense to me in the Snowden case is how any of this works in face of whistleblower protection laws in USA. According to Wikipedia, the US offers these legal protections: > Whistleblower protection laws and regulations guarantee freedom of speech for workers and contractors in certain situations. Whistleblowers are protected from retaliation for disclosure of information which the employee or…

The problem with Snowden is that: A. He did not try to whistleblow through any officials channels in the NSA, intelligence community, or Congress B. He stole somewhere around 1.5 million documents, of which the vast majority had nothing to do with the programs he thought were illegal The house intelligence committee report on Snowden actually concedes that he could have enjoyed whistleblower protection under the law…

You're making the same old arguments that gets debunked over and over again.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/sep/19/washin... https://twitter.com/Snowden/status/941723524175187969

Re: United States Files Civil Lawsuit Against Edward Snowden

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Post by monocasa » Tue, Sep 17, 2019, 10:54 PM UTC

espeed wrote: post #300

markjenkinswpg wrote: post #198

Somebody tell the Donald that Snowden stood up to Obama era policy.

Trust between US tech and the @DeptofDefense is what got burned down. Trust is key. There has been a concerted effort to break that trust to weaken the US position. The US is more resilient than that, and tech is smart enough to see through it. DoD will restore trust. It's time.

What has the DoD done to restore that trust?

Re: United States Files Civil Lawsuit Against Edward Snowden

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Post by weare138 » Tue, Sep 17, 2019, 10:54 PM UTC

jstewartmobile wrote: post #277

TimTheTinker wrote: post #255

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I suspect the downvotes are responding to your tone (which is acerbic/combative), not the content of your assertions. Personally I'd be interested in hearing you out if your manner of speaking was more intellectual.

I'll add this to samstave's cause: I read something by Yoichi Shimatsu (a while back) that was along the same lines of what samstave originally posted. Shimatsu tied MIT and the pedo ring together through Nicholas Negroponte and Bernard Krisher. Didn't really believe it at the time. Yet in the light of 2019--after Saville, Rochdale, Epstein, and all of these CSAIL guys >>knowingly Then to read with shock and disbelie…

No offense, but what does this have to do with Snowden?

Re: United States Files Civil Lawsuit Against Edward Snowden

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Post by tempsolution » Tue, Sep 17, 2019, 10:55 PM UTC

elhudy wrote: post #303

xodice wrote: post #284

Jesus, who the fuck cares about what Snowden released. I am more sad people aren't way up in arms about WHAT WE LEARNED. (Yes, I understand that sentence makes itself not make sense, but you get my point. Rushed and on mobile, but this pissed me off.) Thank you Snowden, and fuck you U.S. Government. - A U.S. Citizen

Snowden "...carefully evaluated every single document I disclosed to ensure that each was legitimately in the public interest. There are all sorts of documents that would have made a big impact that I didn't turn over" What was released (and how), and what we learned are two separate issues. As a U.S. citizen, it's preferable that the subjective legitimacy of what best serves public interest is not in the hands of ON…

Yes, let's best put it into the hand of the agency/government that tried to hide the information from the public in the first place...

"Please defendent, have look at the evidence we gathered about your murder case. It's best if you decide which of the evidence we should use in court against you."

lmao (on a sad note, this is how day to day business at goverments looks like and precisely WHY we need whistleblowers)

Re: United States Files Civil Lawsuit Against Edward Snowden

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Post by cwkoss » Tue, Sep 17, 2019, 10:57 PM UTC

elhudy wrote: post #303

xodice wrote: post #284

Jesus, who the fuck cares about what Snowden released. I am more sad people aren't way up in arms about WHAT WE LEARNED. (Yes, I understand that sentence makes itself not make sense, but you get my point. Rushed and on mobile, but this pissed me off.) Thank you Snowden, and fuck you U.S. Government. - A U.S. Citizen

Snowden "...carefully evaluated every single document I disclosed to ensure that each was legitimately in the public interest. There are all sorts of documents that would have made a big impact that I didn't turn over" What was released (and how), and what we learned are two separate issues. As a U.S. citizen, it's preferable that the subjective legitimacy of what best serves public interest is not in the hands of ON…

Snowdens most fundamental job requirement was to uphold the US constitution. He tried to stop gross constitutional violations from within using the official processes and was ignored. He is the greatest American hero of our era for sacrificing his own freedom to protect the nation.

The NSA employees who are 'just following orders' are little better than Nazi footsolders in 1940s Germany. Their continued violation of the constitution is audacious and they should be imprisoned for treason. The NSA bosses who actively worked to craft these illegal plans deserve the most severe legal punishments available.