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United States Files Civil Lawsuit Against Edward Snowden

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Re: United States Files Civil Lawsuit Against Edward Snowden

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post #177

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No, it sounds like a run-of-the-mill breach of contract lawsuit. As alleged, Snowden signed a contract where he agreed to do certain things, X, for the right to do Y. He did Y but then didn't do X. And now the counterparty is suing for damages under the contract. The US government has limited power to stop publication, so all Snowden had to due was submit the manuscript for review, reject any requested changes , and…

His NDA included USG restrictions on what he could publish, if he didn't accept the changes the outcome would be the same. NDA available via https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20998966

With respect to confidential information only...

It helps to actual read the NDAs and not just blindly cite to them.

Re: United States Files Civil Lawsuit Against Edward Snowden

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post #114

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That does not make it less illegal. It just makes it a perfect candidate for jury nullification! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jury_nullification

and now neither you nor anyone else who reads this comment are able to properly serve on the jury

I'd be curious to see an explanation of why just knowing about jury nullification would disqualify you from being on a jury - obviously if you intend to nullify or "helpfully" inform the other jurors about nullification you should disclose it and therefore be disqualified, but I do not see how knowledge of nullification counts as something that should disqualify you if you have no intention of nullifying.

Re: United States Files Civil Lawsuit Against Edward Snowden

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This is yet another way to avoid exposing real circumstances AND reap funds to continue black-budget trafficking operations (precedent setting [see DanielBMarkham's assessment], plus avoiding certain due process rights.) It will not succeed because these measures stand between everyone who has not had their circumstances optimized by bad, withholding leadership.. preventing the better results in the advancement of ty…

I did not understand any of that.

Let me translate

>This is yet another way to avoid exposing real circumstances AND reap funds to continue black-budget trafficking operations (precedent setting [see DanielBMarkham's assessment], plus avoiding certain due process rights.)

The government will make an example of him to deter others, and use the winnings from the lawsuit to fund more misdeeds. And a civil proceeding has lower standards/Constitutional protections than a criminal trial.

>It will not succeed because these measures stand between everyone who has not had their circumstances optimized by bad, withholding leadership.. preventing the better results in the advancement of types of people everywhere. Myself included!

The elites have set up a system that benefits themselves to the detriment of many other classes of people. It's not sustainable.

>Asymmetry of information has overrun the optimum curves of received value for all peoples. Now there must be more clarity amidst those elites to reform their appetites/waste/projected powers, lest they get priced-out by their own over-runs.

Elites maintain power in part by knowing more about what is, and what is coming, than anyone else. But if they take too much advantage of it, they will get voted/run out of government by the people who are being unjustly treated.

>A way of saying: evil loses. Nature and dignity are neutral. These methods are not. They break the system that keeps balance, so WHY a unique ruling matters a great deal more than a blanket pronouncement OR precedent- setting to avoid getting caught in abuses-of-trust.

Evil isn't sustainable, truth prevails. But the elites try hard to keep the wool over people's eyes.

Re: United States Files Civil Lawsuit Against Edward Snowden

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”The United States’ lawsuit does not seek to stop or restrict the publication or distribution of Permanent Record. Rather, under well-established Supreme Court precedent, Snepp v. United States, the government seeks to recover all proceeds earned by Snowden because of his failure to submit his publication for pre-publication review in violation of his alleged contractual and fiduciary obligations.” What? Either he re…

It sounds to me like they're trying to discourage other CIA/NSA/TLA agents from running off to a place like Russia and writing their own tell-all, even if those books are benign.

“The United States’ ability to protect sensitive national security information depends on employees’ and contractors’ compliance with their non-disclosure agreements, including their pre-publication review obligations. This lawsuit demonstrates that the Department of Justice does not tolerate these breaches of the public’s trust. ..."

That sounds like a reasonable explanation. Granted, I would not be surprised if that was only a small fraction of the real reason, and the vast majority is like you said: "because we don't like him and we can."

Re: United States Files Civil Lawsuit Against Edward Snowden

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Snowden is a national hero. Period. I don’t care what any one thinks otherwise, but we would be a more authoritarian and fascist place without Snowden, Schwartz, (whom YC funded and he was suicided), Manning etc

So fuck the #pedopaths and fuck anyone who is against any of the above and fuck you YC for being against truth.

This is what killed Aaron Schwartz

https://drop.space/watch/amazing-polly-epstein-stories-you-w...

He wasn’t stealing JSTOR docs - he was going after pedopaths and he went to the MIT media lab to get docs on the pedopaths and was then suicided because he knew the truth

And I’ll be downvoted by idiots who think they are smart and don’t know the real world we live in.

As an aside - where are all you jerks who work for palantir? Your company was just on NPR today talking about how you have been ghosting. If you work for palantir, you are a criminal, period.

I love the downvotes by the willfully ignorants. Keep them coming.

Re: United States Files Civil Lawsuit Against Edward Snowden

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That distinction isn't drawn in the 4th Amendment itself. It comes from from 39 CFR § 233.3, which defines the rules and procedures for searching mail ("mail covers"). There, a distinction is drawn between (3)Sealed mail is mail that under postal laws and regulations is included within a class of mail maintained by the Postal Service for the transmission of letters sealed against inspection... and (4)Unsealed mail is…

Sealed vs Unsealed has more nuanced definitions than just "letter"/speech and "item"/things, though. If you look a bit further past the quotes you provided, you'll see: >Sealed mail includes: First-Class Mail; Priority Mail; Priority Mail Express; Shipped packages ("things") can be (but aren't always) sent as First Class or Priority Mail, and thus would fall under the "sealed" category as well. OTOH, you can also sen…

You're making this way more mysterious-sounding than it is.

As the text says, those first categories are INTENDED for sealed letters. Things shipped in those ways therefore retain the privacy protections of letters. You can put a (small) rock or whatever in there instead--that's your business--and if you do, the Post Office will never know because they're applying the letter-privacy standard and not looking inside.

The other categories are NOT INTENDED for letters. As a result, they don't get the protection intended for letters. You can, of course, try to send something confidential that way, but if it's exposed, that's on you.

Re: United States Files Civil Lawsuit Against Edward Snowden

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The PATRIOT Act is a big one[0] [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriot_Act

It would be helpful if you could cite specifically where it says the NSA can do this. I don't see it anywhere on the wikipedia page.

Here is another

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_security_letter

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