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If you don't want companies using your tech, just use (A)GPL or anything from Richard Stallman. But there are some of us who believe in Open Source[1] and giving value to the world, including companies. So please stop bullying us into being a victim culture, we're not. Besides, scientific research over the decades has shown that Open Source produces valuable work specifically because it is unpaid creative work, and w…
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> Nobody is doing anything they don't want to do. Nobody is forced to build open source software. Many job postings list OSS contributions as a requirement / desirable for employment. So, I'm not sure if your statement holds up. I personally know developers that contribute to OSS because of this. And many that have burnt out because of the constant need to contribute. Most OSS contributors do it for fun - but there i…
> Many job postings list OSS contributions as a requirement / desirable for employment. Well employers simply want to see your portfolio and coding abilities, and open public code is the easiest way to screen candidates. It's not the most ideal way of checking since there can be many good candidates that don't write OSS for fun but I suppose it's a trade off the employers are making. If you can demonstrate your codin…
I don't see how that is not enforcing free work.
You could say that you can choose to not apply to that company, but not everyone lives on SF and has tons of offers to choose from.
It becomes this unspoken rule that to work on many companies you have to contribute to OSS (preferably on Github). If you really need a job, you can't really pick and choose.
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> I'm saying that for a lot of open source software, virtually 100% of the beneficiaries are corporations What open source projects specifically? > So, a large portion of open source contributions do nothing other than provide free highly skilled labour to Coca Cola, Walmart, and McDonald's. In my opinion, any open source development is valued WAY MORE than closed source development, as it can be shared and verified…
> What open source projects specifically? I have not contributed to any of these projects but for instance: Spark, Flink, Druid, Akka, Hadoop, Cassandra, Kafka, Java Spring, Hibernate, etc etc.
The world of open source benefits the powerful entities, and that's OK that's what open source is about... Everyone gets the code for free... No matter who you are
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> Many job postings list OSS contributions as a requirement / desirable for employment. Well employers simply want to see your portfolio and coding abilities, and open public code is the easiest way to screen candidates. It's not the most ideal way of checking since there can be many good candidates that don't write OSS for fun but I suppose it's a trade off the employers are making. If you can demonstrate your codin…
I've seen many job adverts that specifically cited "seeing Github contributions" as a requirement. I don't see how that is not enforcing free work. You could say that you can choose to not apply to that company, but not everyone lives on SF and has tons of offers to choose from. It becomes this unspoken rule that to work on many companies you have to contribute to OSS (preferably on Github). If you really need a job,…
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> Many job postings list OSS contributions as a requirement / desirable for employment. Well employers simply want to see your portfolio and coding abilities, and open public code is the easiest way to screen candidates. It's not the most ideal way of checking since there can be many good candidates that don't write OSS for fun but I suppose it's a trade off the employers are making. If you can demonstrate your codin…
I've seen many job adverts that specifically cited "seeing Github contributions" as a requirement. I don't see how that is not enforcing free work. You could say that you can choose to not apply to that company, but not everyone lives on SF and has tons of offers to choose from. It becomes this unspoken rule that to work on many companies you have to contribute to OSS (preferably on Github). If you really need a job,…
> I don't see how that is not enforcing free work.
Paid open source work, on GitHub-hosted projects, still produces viewable GitHub contributions. That requirements enforces open source work, it doesn't enforce free work. Like other professions where people are hired based on portfolios, having a portfolio requirement doesn't mandate free work, just work that is not restricted by the client in a way which prevents it's use in your portfolio.
Of course, if your paid work doesn't fit that model, you may need to do free work to build a portfolio.
I feel like there is an article a week about how open source developers are being used by corporations for free labor. I think there is a fundamental misunderstanding that these journalists aren't grasping. Nobody is doing anything they don't want to do. Nobody is forced to build open source software. And, most importantly, most of these contributions aren't worth enough individually to charge for. It's only collecti…
When really the open source software is about making it easier to work with across jobs so that everyone doesn't need to tediously reinvent the wheel ad nausuem or jump through hoops.
If you don't want companies using your tech, just use (A)GPL or anything from Richard Stallman. But there are some of us who believe in Open Source[1] and giving value to the world, including companies. So please stop bullying us into being a victim culture, we're not. Besides, scientific research over the decades has shown that Open Source produces valuable work specifically because it is unpaid creative work, and w…
That's amazing. How do you fund it without charging for it?
I then moved out of state to somewhere insanely cheap, so I could survive & build for years more. Now we're finally doing well enough that I've moved to SF to hopefully make enough connections for the next stage!
Do you have any OSS projects yourself? :)
The shirt on your back cost only $10 because it was made by a kid in Bangladesh for pennies. The tunnel under the city cost millions more than planned, and somebody will have to eat that cost. Your theatre program has a page of 6-digit donors because ticket prices don’t cover half the cost of producing a show.
Nobody likes to admit the true cost of anything.
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Nobody's saying it has to be, uh...what's the name of a profitable internet company that isn't Facebook? But making demands on people who are working for free is bad manners . I don't care if you think the internet changes everything, it's still possible to be an asshole. My off the cuff solution is for project owners to add a status flag to their issue trackers: PAID. Anybody can submit a bug as PAID, but it costs $…
Charging money to fix something because of who they are seems unethical to me... Maybe it's just capitalism, which is usually antithetical to open source free software... If they want it fixed, let them add resources to the project like submit a pull request, donations or charge people support fees for urgent bugs, which many OSS projects do...