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The Internet Relies on People Working for Free

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Re: The Internet Relies on People Working for Free

#31

Not just open-source maintainers but also moderators. A bad thing about moderators is that nowadays they tend to be immature teens, it's one of the reasons Reddit content quality has been going down in the past few years. It also creates some moral questions, as companies with giant revenues are outsourcing their internet janitor duties to naive unpaid child labourers

Or worse, a corporation secretly pays mods to let spam pass and delete dissent.

Re: The Internet Relies on People Working for Free

#32
post #11

Not just open-source maintainers but also moderators. A bad thing about moderators is that nowadays they tend to be immature teens, it's one of the reasons Reddit content quality has been going down in the past few years. It also creates some moral questions, as companies with giant revenues are outsourcing their internet janitor duties to naive unpaid child labourers

i see your point, but it also brings about something like where certain people see quality degrading, and go off to make their own subreddit/community like /r/truereddit or /r/truetruereddit, etc. it's an interesting phenomenon and am curious as to whether its better this way, or actually making things worse.

I think if things worked purely that way and everything was completely transparent it would be fine but there's a few things that muddy the waters

1) Moderators create alternate accounts and gobble up offshoots. They'll either have multiple mod accounts so they can "step down" and pass power to themselves when opinion rallies against them or they straight up seed themselves throughout reddit as moderators to dozens of communities

2) How do you spread the word when moderators have final word on what's posted in the "main" subreddit? Say there's an uprising in some obscure fandom and fans want a new place to correlate outside of the moderator's rule; how do they spread the word to the community efficiently that they exist when there's only one main hub for that fandom currently and the moderators silence anything (often with the AutoMod) that reference the new community?

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I think public moderation in general is good. But the tools for the community to branch out are often lacking and when moderator power-tripping crosses a line there's no outlet for members to reach Admins who will objectively weigh the facts and act on complaints.

Re: The Internet Relies on People Working for Free

#33
post #14

> Because the code is available to use for free, without any commercial licensing, there’s no reason that companies need to tell him that they’re using it. Well, that depends on the license.

I was actually wondering if there's licensing that has a notification clause or what an attribution clause would look like.

It looks like this:

https://opensource.org/licenses/BSD-3-Clause

Re: The Internet Relies on People Working for Free

#34
post #5

A rational actor never works for "free", they derive some perceived benefit (not necessarily money) from their action, like reputation or self-satisfaction or warm fuzzies. I think it's brilliant that we can use these carrots to get good work out of people that can be shared on the internet. All the same that's no excuse to abuse people who are acting far from rationally.

I know I do. The amount I’ve railed against companies I don’t like... oyyy, they should have put me on their payroll to sit on a beach and drink.

And a few others should have put me on their marketing payroll.

Re: The Internet Relies on People Working for Free

#35
post #9

The overarching problem with expecting companies to pay for open-source is that they don’t have to. It’s often as vital to them as the publicly-provided infrastructure used by their employees to get to work, but because they never see the costs, they assume there isn’t any. In an ideal world business-critical FOSS projects would be funded by the government the same way that other public infrastructure is. Until that…

I understand the sentiment. However 1. Money corrupts everything. Be careful what you wish for. 2. Lone developers will probably do a better job than any sort of bureaucracy, public or private. Small-scale FOSS projects are the perfect platform for a lone developer. They can of course demand payment for their efforts, with all that it might entail regarding point 1.

Re: The Internet Relies on People Working for Free

#36
“The catastrophic Heartbleed bug of 2014, which compromised the security of hundreds of millions of sites, was caused by a problem in an open-source library called OpenSSL, which relied on a single full-time developer not making a mistake as they updated and changed that code, used by millions.”

And the catastrophic Specter and Meltdown bugs show that private code doesn’t prevent this sort of thing either...

Re: The Internet Relies on People Working for Free

#38
post #5

A rational actor never works for "free", they derive some perceived benefit (not necessarily money) from their action, like reputation or self-satisfaction or warm fuzzies. I think it's brilliant that we can use these carrots to get good work out of people that can be shared on the internet. All the same that's no excuse to abuse people who are acting far from rationally.

One thing not mentioned in the article is that working on open source, especially when your project gets popular, helps a lot with the resume and may let you skip the interview quiz fest since your future employers are already familiar with your work and its quality.

That said, it would be nice if corporations would give their teams donation money for the smaller projects that they rely on. With easy options like OpenCollective and GitHub having a donation option, it would be good time to start.

Re: The Internet Relies on People Working for Free

#39

I feel like there is an article a week about how open source developers are being used by corporations for free labor. I think there is a fundamental misunderstanding that these journalists aren't grasping. Nobody is doing anything they don't want to do. Nobody is forced to build open source software. And, most importantly, most of these contributions aren't worth enough individually to charge for. It's only collecti…

I'm in a similar situation.

Started a website for fun, maybe I'll sell books. Then my website got popular and people want more content faster.

I have a day job, so I can't work full time unless I'm paid similar.

I'm unsure what to do next. My free website can be monatized with the goal of quitting my job.

Or users can get my hobby for free.

It seems no one is happy except me. The only benefit, my popularity will likely have me employed forever.

Re: The Internet Relies on People Working for Free

#40
post #5

A rational actor never works for "free", they derive some perceived benefit (not necessarily money) from their action, like reputation or self-satisfaction or warm fuzzies. I think it's brilliant that we can use these carrots to get good work out of people that can be shared on the internet. All the same that's no excuse to abuse people who are acting far from rationally.

Gah! A "rational actor" is not a person, and "free" has a commonly-understood meaning that you're redefining in order to ... what? Claim the headline is false? Why?
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