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Death Of The Mouse?

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Re: Death Of The Mouse?

#21

Microsoft presented their new touch mouse at CES. Yeah, mice are definitely not new and exciting at this point, but until 'touch' becomes ubiquitous they are still quite necessary. Since I still have to live with mice for the foreseeable future, I'm frustrated at the lack of decent wired mice on the market. Wireless mice always give me tracking issues and I don't like the inconvenience of replacing batteries. But eve…

    mice .. are still quite necessary.
They're not.

There are plenty of examples of mechanisms for computer interaction that don't require a mouse and cultivate strong loyalty from people who could instead be using a mouse interface: Bloomberg, the unix console, tiling window managers.

People who are into graphics tend towards tablets.

The mouse's success is due to path dependence. New users like it, and so we end up with all these mouse-dependent interfaces.

Re: Death Of The Mouse?

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Since our eyes are built into the front plate of our head and our head is mounted upright on our torso, displays are bound to stand vertically in front of our eyes. Hands are pretty bad at interacting with vertical surfaces as this requires us to lift both hands and arms for prolonged periods of time. Hence, there has to be a horizontal, desktop-surface that we manually interact with and a vertical surface that we lo…

That is not entirely true. Our head isn't mounted on our torso, it's mounted on our neck which can swivel! That's why you don't have to hold a book or your mobile phone or tablet at eye level. Also, many marvelous masterpieces have been created by painters working with an easel, where the requirement of having to lift their arms doesn't seem to have been too much of a distraction. If you really want to interact with…

True indeed. But painting involves steady motion of the hand whereas interaction with computers requires much less motion and thus is far more straining for our arms.

Basically, it all revolves around strain: We don't want to strain our arms by holding something up in the air for a long time and we don't want to strain out neck by holding the head in an imbalanced position for a long time. As long as the head can sit more or less balanced on the neck, we are fine. Hence, if we sit back, the comfortable position for the head is to look slightly downwards compared to the rest of the body. However, the head actually is still upright, only the body is at an angle. Of course, we can still move our eyes without straining the neck muscles. We are fine with looking something like 45° downwards. (Actually, we are most comfortable with looking at the ground a few dozen meters/feet away. That is the natural looking angle.)

Hence, monitors should sit slightly below eye level (for practical reasons, they usually extend from there to desktop level). Manual input devices should be located slightly below elbow level one forearm-length in front of the belly.

It will be interesting, which manual input devices will sit there in the future. But I would guess that they will always sit there, and not on the display.

Re: Death Of The Mouse?

#23

Microsoft presented their new touch mouse at CES. Yeah, mice are definitely not new and exciting at this point, but until 'touch' becomes ubiquitous they are still quite necessary. Since I still have to live with mice for the foreseeable future, I'm frustrated at the lack of decent wired mice on the market. Wireless mice always give me tracking issues and I don't like the inconvenience of replacing batteries. But eve…

What are your concerns with using a wireless mouse?

On gaming mice: I don't need anymore DPI. I'm not a gamer, so buying a gaming mouse is just spending money on features that I won't use.

On the latest wireless mice: I have tried new wireless mice. It's not the efficiency of the mouse it self thats the problem. It's the fact that they all use AA or AAA cells. Therefore, I have to eventually remove them, charge them, and replace them in the mouse. Plus the NiCad batteries eventually loose capacity after a few cycles (even the nice kind like Eneloop).

The biggest problem is wireless interference and tracking latency that I experience with all wireless mice.

There still is innovation in the mouse field. Placing a touch interface on a mouse is great. From my short experience with one, I've found it to be the biggest innovation since 'scroll wheels' and 'optical tracking'.

Right now, it seems like seems like the mouse market is divided between gamers (people who want the maximum DPI and lots of programmable buttons) and casual users (people who want a simple, lightweight and wireless mouse for there laptop). Someone like myself (a computer professional, who wants something sturdy, comfortable and reliable) is no longer considered a market.

I really would like to use a mouse with a touch surface, but without a wired USB connection, the inconvenience outweighs the benefits.

Re: Death Of The Mouse?

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I would absolutely expect the death of the mouse. In its current form that is. In my opinion the mouse interface introduced with the MBP and now purchasable as an external component is a sign of the future. It has the same precision as a regular mouse so you don't have the iPad's touch problem of lack of precision, but you move your finger on the device instead of moving the device.

That alone wouldn't be enough to unseat the vulnerable mouse but the advantage the touchpad is that it can track multiple fingers. I envision a future where the keyboard is extended with a kind of flat space that can take precise input from all 10 fingers.

I've seen a demo somewhere that had exactly that, but I don't know what's come of it.

Re: Death Of The Mouse?

#26
I would always buy a good mouse till i bought my macbook pro.

After each 2-3 day hacking session, i would resurface with paining dry eyes and aching wrist and elbow.

Now, after similar sessions, i am only left with dry eyes.

I haven't really read up about the ergonomics of multi-touch track pads, but i think they inflict either lesser RSI or are attacking a different set of muscles.

Re: Death Of The Mouse?

#27
Oh great, another "Death of .." article. When will we see the death of them.

But seriously .. As an avid gamer I can't see the mouse going any place for a long time. Eye tracking or a USB port into the back of the head are the only viable-ish alternatives I can imagine due to the extremely precise and fast interaction needed.

Re: Death Of The Mouse?

#28

Touch killing the mouse makes about as much sense as helicopters killing airplanes.

How so?

It seems that you are proclaiming that touch would provide more flexibility at the expense of maximum speed and efficiency. I would actually say it is exactly the other way around: Touch killing the mouse makes about as much sense as airplanes killing helicopters. And you know what, I actually kind of prefer airplanes for most commercial flights just as I would say that touch interfaces are actually faster to use and easier to learn than mouse interfaces.

Of course, I often do need helicopter precision on my desktop... But yay for the iPad for casual gaming, websurfing and communicating.

Re: Death Of The Mouse?

#29
post #21

Microsoft presented their new touch mouse at CES. Yeah, mice are definitely not new and exciting at this point, but until 'touch' becomes ubiquitous they are still quite necessary. Since I still have to live with mice for the foreseeable future, I'm frustrated at the lack of decent wired mice on the market. Wireless mice always give me tracking issues and I don't like the inconvenience of replacing batteries. But eve…

mice .. are still quite necessary. They're not. There are plenty of examples of mechanisms for computer interaction that don't require a mouse and cultivate strong loyalty from people who could instead be using a mouse interface: Bloomberg, the unix console, tiling window managers. People who are into graphics tend towards tablets. The mouse's success is due to path dependence. New users like it, and so we end up wit…

Sure, if you live in vim, emacs, unix console, etc... I, and plenty of other people do not. Not everyone wants to live within a command prompt.

Re: Death Of The Mouse?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What are your concerns with using a wireless mouse?

On gaming mice: I don't need anymore DPI. I'm not a gamer, so buying a gaming mouse is just spending money on features that I won't use. On the latest wireless mice: I have tried new wireless mice. It's not the efficiency of the mouse it self thats the problem. It's the fact that they all use AA or AAA cells. Therefore, I have to eventually remove them, charge them, and replace them in the mouse. Plus the NiCad batte…

Just get a gaming mouse. They're exactly what you want (sturdy, comfortable and reliable) so don't be put off by a high DPI - you can always reduce the sensitivity. I like the Logitech G9 or MX518. The latter is $35 at Newegg and you can regularly get them cheaper with rebates.
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