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Australia’s 4G network is faster than 5G: study

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Re: Australia’s 4G network is faster than 5G: study

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Post by jussij »

fertibm wrote: post #105
crispinb wrote: post #49

Well I don't know about faster than 5G, but for my rural location it's a lifesaver. I get a steady 60Mbps down, 12-15 up, which is just a tad better than my previous 0.3Mbps ADSL. It's kind of amazing and is literally what enables me to live where I do (ie. for remote work). 4g here is also far better than the shithouse fake NBN foisted on us by our far-right government, which loathes and fears any technology more re…

Errr... our government isn’t far right, and the disaster of the nbn was created by the left, and made worse by the right. The narrative being repeated in this and other left wing sites like reddit of “the nbn would have been good if it was all fiber” is just wrong. The nbn from its conception was a half-baked, last minute idea made up by Kevin Rudd. If any public network was needed, it should have been wireless. The…

> the disaster of the nbn was created by the left, and made worse by the right

The left proposed an NBN based on 'fiber to the home' technology.

The right threw out that plan and replaced it with 'fiber to the node and copper to the home' technology.

Now it is hard to say if the NBN proposed by the left would have been a disaster as it was only rolled out to a few place. But being fiber based it would at least have been future proofed.

However, now that the most of the money has been spent and the NBN copper system is nearing completion, we are seeing that the NBN as it now stands is a total disaster.

It is already obsolete before it is complete.

Re: Australia’s 4G network is faster than 5G: study

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Post by sjwright »

crispinb wrote: post #62
emmelaich wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Good post until the last sentence! NBN history is far more interesting than that! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Broadband_Network

It was a bit of snark not to be taken too seriously, though with regard to the trogs' fear of technology, it has more than a grain of truth ;)

To the person with the "dead" reply musing about Stephen Conroy being a luddite—I wrote that April fools parody article. Yes, Conroy started off as an embarrassing luddite __BUT__ unlike the luddites that came before him, he improved. He learned. He grew. He surrounded himself with smart, experienced and informed people, and he learned from them. By the time he departed that role he had morphed into perhaps the best communications ministers in recent Australian history.

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Whereas you can watch the moment of television where all respect I had for Malcolm Turnbull crashed into the floor (fast forward to the 17 minute mark and watch for about one minute):

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-08-12/nbn-debate/4882232

"Anthony said that fibre to the premises can deliver one gigabit per second, 1000 megs, and you're quite right, it can. Do you know what it would cost to have a guaranteed one gig' service? At least $20,000 a month."

So basically Turnbull used a deceptive truth (the cost of a high speed service with dedicated guaranteed backhaul) to blatantly and intentionally lie about the cost of gigabit services that would be sold to 99.9% of NBN-connected customers. The fact that he knew enough to concoct this deception made me realise that he wasn't just as bad as the rest of them, he's worse. He used his knowledge and intelligence to cleverly and carefully craft a statement that's blatantly false yet defensible as technically true if he were caught out. Nobody is that clever by accident.

Re: Australia’s 4G network is faster than 5G: study

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Post by baroffoos »

zizee wrote: post #92
baroffoos wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be fair, it's a true statement. The NBN is shithouse and compared to what was promised originally, it could be considered fake.

This is the part that is questionable: > our far-right government, which loathes and fears any technology more recent than coal & witch burning.

If you live in Australia you would probably agree that thats not far from the truth either.

Re: Australia’s 4G network is faster than 5G: study

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Post by wmf »

kevin_thibedeau wrote: post #120

The purpose of 5G isn't to deliver faster speed to an individual end point. It's to add more capacity to a single cell site. Marketing will continue to lie with their "up to" promises but don't expect to reap any significant gains from the latest radio tech.

If the cell site has more capacity but a similar number of customers, would those customers not get more throughput?

Re: Australia’s 4G network is faster than 5G: study

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Post by tenryuu »

rosege wrote: post #124
tenryuu wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's interesting, becusee I moved from FTTC getting 100/40 to HFC and still getting 100/40. Each technology has their own hardware faults though, and I've witnessed both. But as a user of the service, I'm actually surprised how decent HFC has been working. My parents of FTTN get about 50/20,which is what I expect a lot of users on these lines would only be able to access. But the sheer cost of using a NBN over 4G mak…

What about your latency? - Ive tested FTTP and got around 3ms to 8.8.8.8 but hfc its around 30+ Any idea what FTTC would be?

Getting ~20ms on HFC, with 12ms to our BNGv(first hop)

I no longer have a FTTC connection to test, but I don't think it's 3ms low.

Using AussieBB. It's around 20ms from Sydney to Melbourne on our routes

Re: Australia’s 4G network is faster than 5G: study

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Post by wmf »

jsjohnst wrote: post #126
freehunter wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes but the speed of light is very fast . Light can travel nearly 200 miles in one millisecond.

Correct, light travels at 186 miles per millisecond, but virtually nothing we have can actually transfer a single packet anywhere near light speed. Take two high end expensive network cards with fiber SFP+ connectors and connect them with just 1 meter of cable, and I very highly doubt you’ll get a ping time of under 0.1ms. And that’s just 1 meter! If speed of light was the limiting factor, that should be down in the…

I hate to be that guy but I have done that test and the latency is under 30 us or 0.03 ms.

Re: Australia’s 4G network is faster than 5G: study

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Post by wmf »

freehunter wrote: post #85
mehrdadn wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wow, you just blew my mind, thanks. So what is "true" 4G here? Is it LTE-A? Or does it not even exist? All this time I used to think the "fake" 4G (3.9G?) was HSPA and the "real" one was LTE and that LTE-A went beyond that, but now I'm not sure what's what anymore!

4G requires data rates of 100mbps while moving and 1Gbps while stationary. LTE-A only hits 300Mbps, but the ITU eventually gave up fighting it and now calls LTE-A officially "4G" even though it doesn't meet the original standard. http://www.itu.int/net/pressoffice/press_releases/2010/48.as...

In retrospect this is evidence that sometimes setting ridiculously ambitious goals isn't enough to make them happen. IMO a new generation per decade is a good pace but 10x per decade is a lot more reasonable than 100x.

Re: Australia’s 4G network is faster than 5G: study

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Post by Synaesthesia »

ffk wrote: post #111

For me, the exciting part of 5G is the connection density. The estimated density for a 4G network is: 4,000 devices / km^2. The estimated density for a 5G network is: 1,000,000 devices / km^2. The density means we can scale up machine machine interactions significantly, rather than focus on human machine interactions that we have today.

Wikipedia said 4G (LTE) supports 100,000 people per sq km whereas 5G up to a million.

Re: Australia’s 4G network is faster than 5G: study

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Post by fraudsyndrome »

jussij wrote: post #131
fertibm wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Errr... our government isn’t far right, and the disaster of the nbn was created by the left, and made worse by the right. The narrative being repeated in this and other left wing sites like reddit of “the nbn would have been good if it was all fiber” is just wrong. The nbn from its conception was a half-baked, last minute idea made up by Kevin Rudd. If any public network was needed, it should have been wireless. The…

> the disaster of the nbn was created by the left, and made worse by the right The left proposed an NBN based on 'fiber to the home' technology. The right threw out that plan and replaced it with 'fiber to the node and copper to the home' technology. Now it is hard to say if the NBN proposed by the left would have been a disaster as it was only rolled out to a few place. But being fiber based it would at least have b…

> Now it is hard to say if the NBN proposed by the left would have been a disaster as it was only rolled out to a few place.

Can people not see and pros/cons based on suburbs that have fttp/ftth?

You can do the same with fttn based on some suburbs - where people who have paid for 100Mbps end up only getting 20Mbps during peak hour

Re: Australia’s 4G network is faster than 5G: study

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Post by rosege »

tenryuu wrote: post #135
rosege wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What about your latency? - Ive tested FTTP and got around 3ms to 8.8.8.8 but hfc its around 30+ Any idea what FTTC would be?

Getting ~20ms on HFC, with 12ms to our BNGv(first hop) I no longer have a FTTC connection to test, but I don't think it's 3ms low. Using AussieBB. It's around 20ms from Sydney to Melbourne on our routes

Yeah I'm going with Aussie too.
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