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Re: iOS 13’s privacy pop-ups of Facebook data grabs

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Post by inapis » Mon, Sep 16, 2019, 8:30 PM UTC

WA wrote: post #75

oflannabhra wrote: post #17

I've been using the iOS 13 developer beta for a couple months, and I can confirm that within the first week, several apps from the big 4 requested permissions for things that should be absolutely unnecessary. iOS 13 has several great privacy-focused changes: - WiFi SSID is protected behind location permissions (ie, an app must request and be granted location permissions to be able to access the current SSID) - Blueto…

Great! Now, one more thing I’d like to have added: get rid of photo library access and separate this into several permissions: - write access - read access (all photos) - read access (through a special iOS picker that acts as a middle man) The longer people have their phones, the more photos they have. And with them a whole lot of meta data such as location etc. I simply don’t trust most apps these days that they rea…

This is something I've been wishing for too! Apple does have this differentiation in permissions but it leaves it to the developers to ask for and respect. This permission should be akin to the location permission - enforced and differentiated by the OS and not the dev.

Re: iOS 13’s privacy pop-ups of Facebook data grabs

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Post by cameronbrown » Mon, Sep 16, 2019, 8:46 PM UTC

motohagiography wrote: post #96

cameronbrown wrote: post #92

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If that's the line you're drawing, then I can understand where you're coming from more, but anything opt-in still doesn't seem to qualify as eugenics. There was dating services in meatspace long before OKC, Tinder and now FB. Much of the same data given to them was similar to what Facebook has. Do those services class as eugenics?

A more concrete analogy would be if you donated to an egg or sperm bank, and found out later that the hospital had destroyed samples after checking the donors linkedin profiles for employment gaps. If you would really like to turn my innocent quip into an something more inflamatory, I'd say a lack of informed consent by users about the use of their data, obtained by surveillance, used to impose opportunity costs on t…

I do appreciate you taking the time to expand upon your point.

Re: iOS 13’s privacy pop-ups of Facebook data grabs

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Post by acqq » Mon, Sep 16, 2019, 8:47 PM UTC

WA wrote: post #75

oflannabhra wrote: post #17

I've been using the iOS 13 developer beta for a couple months, and I can confirm that within the first week, several apps from the big 4 requested permissions for things that should be absolutely unnecessary. iOS 13 has several great privacy-focused changes: - WiFi SSID is protected behind location permissions (ie, an app must request and be granted location permissions to be able to access the current SSID) - Blueto…

Great! Now, one more thing I’d like to have added: get rid of photo library access and separate this into several permissions: - write access - read access (all photos) - read access (through a special iOS picker that acts as a middle man) The longer people have their phones, the more photos they have. And with them a whole lot of meta data such as location etc. I simply don’t trust most apps these days that they rea…

And the same with contacts! I should be able to select the minimum of contacts that some app sees. And also to narrow down which fields of all possible contact fields.

Re: iOS 13’s privacy pop-ups of Facebook data grabs

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Post by bengotow » Mon, Sep 16, 2019, 9:41 PM UTC

wmurmann wrote: post #89

bengotow wrote: post #16

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The Bird (scooter) iPhone app asked me for Bluetooth. It said something about "nearby scooters" which I think is a flat out lie because you unlock them via QR code? Probably also tracking...

I've built a scooter app. Bluetooth can help with a few things including closing rides when the user has bad cell coverage.

Ahh actually this makes a lot of sense. The thing is, I don't "pair" the scooter I ride - maybe it's Bluetooth LE?

Actually, I have an android phone around here somewhere loaded up with a BLE inspector app, gonna see if they actually broadcast bluetooth :-p

Re: iOS 13’s privacy pop-ups of Facebook data grabs

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Post by fluffything » Mon, Sep 16, 2019, 10:09 PM UTC

space_drops wrote: post #50

rcruzeiro wrote: post #12

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Youtube and netflix likely do this to discover TVs that you can cast your video to

Then Apple needs to implement an API handler for casting video to TV, instead of letting the app handle it.

It already does? AirPlay / AirDrop .

Re: iOS 13’s privacy pop-ups of Facebook data grabs

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Post by PossiblyKyle » Mon, Sep 16, 2019, 10:18 PM UTC

snazz wrote: post #53

bosie wrote: post #33

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> The interface is slick and nice, however, I'd have have to say in recent years Android mostly caught up in that regard. How would you say are the apps in this regard? Are ios apps more standardized than android's?

Yes and there seems to be more developer time invested in iOS apps than Android apps for smoothness—developers know they make more money from their iOS users even taking into account how many more Android devices there are. You might miss not being able to set third-party apps as default for certain actions, but I think this is a valid trade-off for maintaining standards and share extensions are almost as good.

There’s an app called Opener that lets you open third party apps in the relevant pages quickly. Not as fluid as Android but still quick. Personally I’ve been very happy with iOS since the switch a year ago. I’d like to point out that the biggest charm of the gestures is that it’s essentially system wide, including third party apps. Swipe to go back and tap to scroll up are just too convenient and natural for me to go back.

Re: iOS 13’s privacy pop-ups of Facebook data grabs

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Post by fluffything » Mon, Sep 16, 2019, 10:22 PM UTC

lstamour wrote: post #86

ascagnel_ wrote: post #56

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Spotify shouldn’t need BT access to play audio —- there’s a “blessed” API for apps that need BT audio output that won’t require separate authorization. Your headphone update app more reasonably will need that permission, as its doing more than audio output.

You misunderstand, it’s not for playing back audio as such, it’s for detecting when the headphones connect as well as (maybe?) enabling easy set up of speakers with Spotify Connect. Similarly Dropcam had a setup mode via Bluetooth, Google Home as well.

Spotify doesn't care whether your headphones are BT or not.

iOS should be doing audio device discovery and notifying the apps that request it when a new device is found. Whether you plug some headphones or use bluetooth or airplay or ... shouldn't matter here.

Re: iOS 13’s privacy pop-ups of Facebook data grabs

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Post by tinus_hn » Mon, Sep 16, 2019, 10:41 PM UTC

berti wrote: post #91

WA wrote: post #75

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Great! Now, one more thing I’d like to have added: get rid of photo library access and separate this into several permissions: - write access - read access (all photos) - read access (through a special iOS picker that acts as a middle man) The longer people have their phones, the more photos they have. And with them a whole lot of meta data such as location etc. I simply don’t trust most apps these days that they rea…

> The longer people have their phones, the more photos they have. And with them a whole lot of meta data such as location etc. Stripping location metadata before handing photos off to apps would be nice too.

IOS does this for apps that don't have photo library permissions and use the system photo picker.

Re: iOS 13’s privacy pop-ups of Facebook data grabs

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Post by alanh » Mon, Sep 16, 2019, 10:47 PM UTC

I was under the impression that any time an app allows you to play media and send it to audio devices (including Bluetooth and AirPlay), iOS 13 gives a scary prompt like this. I've been using the public beta and for this reason I have granted the permission to YouTube (while hoping I am right and they are not abusing the permission).

Does anyone know for a fact what Facebook is doing with Bluetooth permissions? Am I right in my understanding of how innocent usage for media playback can trigger this prompt?

Re: iOS 13’s privacy pop-ups of Facebook data grabs

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Post by kbos87 » Mon, Sep 16, 2019, 11:07 PM UTC

When you tell an app you explicitly don’t want to share your location with it and they do something like this, how can you say that is anything other than a gross breach of trust? Someone deserves jail time.

This also says so much about the culture at Facebook. They clearly don’t have any respect for their users, principles, or limits. I’d personally think twice about hiring someone from Facebook.