Best Smartphones That Still Have a Headphone Jack • Hacker News Board

Re: Best Smartphones That Still Have a Headphone Jack

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Post by Rebelgecko » Mon, Sep 16, 2019, 9:30 PM UTC

Kerrick wrote: post #154

magduf wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because people don't want to fuck around with a stupid dongle to have a feature that the phone should have had in the first place. Dongles get lost, and you also can't charge the phone and use the dongle at the same time. Maybe you don't think it's a big deal, but when the asking price of the device is $1k, any little annoyance like that is a legitimate deal-breaker: for that much money, it should have everything, in…

I have pretty much never charged my phone and used it at the same time. The cord is too short, and cords that are long enough are unwieldy. Plus, the cord sticks out right where my hand wants to hold the phone. Is this something people actually do in any situation except low-power emergencies?

It's pretty much mandatory for me when on long road trips or flying.

Re: Best Smartphones That Still Have a Headphone Jack

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Post by davchana » Mon, Sep 16, 2019, 9:33 PM UTC

wilsonnb3 wrote: post #78

tablethnuser wrote: post #20

I've been using the budget Moto G+ line for the past four years. I can upgrade my phone every year around Black Friday and get the latest model for sub $200. The older phones still work well and get handed down to my less tech savvy family members. I'm not really sure what people are paying for when they get those $800+ beasts for phones. When I use a friend's I can tell they are higher quality; either they feel more…

The biggest difference between budget and flagship is the camera, which is very important to a lot of people. There are a lot of people on hacker news (myself included) who hardly ever use their phone cameras and tend to forget that this is such a critical feature to so many people. My personal reason for using flagship devices is simply because I use my phone an absurd amount. If you're using something for hours eve…

Well I used $200 Honor 7 for 3 years, most of the regular non vacation days I didn't carry my Canon Canera, but used Honor phone camera only. Then because of battery degradation, I bought $200 RealMe Pro 2, again using its camera & phone for a year now. Saw an ad for UMIDIGI S3 Pro for $249 with NFC on Amazon, but camera is literally shit, with photos having water drop patches, so returned it.

Re: Best Smartphones That Still Have a Headphone Jack

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Post by Rebelgecko » Mon, Sep 16, 2019, 9:34 PM UTC

mikepurvis wrote: post #194

magduf wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We've had waterproof phones with headphone jacks for ages, so that's not an issue unless you're incompetent. I've never seen a phone where the battery extended down to near the headphone jack. If I put a dongle permanently on my headphones, how do I use them on another device that has a standard 3.5mm jack? Thickness is only an issue for Apple fans. No one else actually cares if a device is 0.2mm thicker.

I mean, it's not like it's empty space in there. Looking at the insides of an iPhone X, it's clear that something would have to give to make room for a new and quite sizeable connector: https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/iPhone+X+Teardown/98975#s182... In any case, I fundamentally agree that it's not worth the tradeoff; I use an iPhone 5S and find it perfectly serviceable (and charmingly small and light). But some peopl…

Supposedly, previous iPhones had a lot of empty space near where the headphone jack would have been. Enough space for this guy[1] to drill a hole and install Apple's DAC in it.

[1]:https://strangeparts.com/bringing-back-the-iphone-headphone-...

Re: Best Smartphones That Still Have a Headphone Jack

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Post by CDSlice » Mon, Sep 16, 2019, 9:35 PM UTC

lostgame wrote: post #216

Apple’s lack of follow-up to the iPhone SE means the SE is still the best iPhone with a headphone jack. I honestly can’t believe Apple did an iPhone event without introducing a new model in that size. I know at least a dozen people (especially women) who had been saying for at least a year that until the SE had a replacement, they’d be using one, or swapping to Android. With the weakest offerings for iPhones yet, in…

Is Apple really not listening to it's customers, or just not listening to a small, vocal subset? I've really only heard complaints about the touchbar from software devs, which are not Apple's main customers. Apple's main customers are creatives and people that want to spend a lot of money for what amounts to a well made (MacBook pro keyboard issues notwithstanding), functional status symbols. Making a smaller, cheaper iPhone isn't really useful for the creatives and just devalues Apple as a status symbol for the people that buy it for that.

> For years, Apple’s flagship iOS phones wouldn’t even connect to their flagship MacBooks and MacBook pros without an additional cable or adapter.

> My next laptop will be a hackintoshed Lenovo.

I really don't think you are Apple's target audience. Most iPhone users don't connect their phone to a computer anymore, especially the people that are buying flagship Macs and iPhones, and the few that do generally don't mind buying the extra cable. And most people with the skills and patience to tinker with their systems to make functional hackintoshes probably aren't big on buying services, which is what Apple is trying to transition into.

Re: Best Smartphones That Still Have a Headphone Jack

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Post by staz » Mon, Sep 16, 2019, 9:36 PM UTC

goda90 wrote: post #66

chuckgreenman wrote: post #18

I'm a single-issue voter when it comes to cell phones - if it doesn't have a headphone jack, I won't be buying it.

My single-issue is replaceable battery, but no new candidates are being fielded. I still have an LG V20. They're now on V50 I believe but haven't had replaceable batteries since the V20.

fair phone 3? it has a replaceable battery

Re: Best Smartphones That Still Have a Headphone Jack

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Post by Rebelgecko » Mon, Sep 16, 2019, 9:36 PM UTC

gruez wrote: post #149

alistproducer2 wrote: post #144

Sorry but this list is trash. Every smartphone on that list was overpriced and runs some horrid vendor customized version of Android that's sure to become obsolete because the vendors will stop updating it with a year or two. the one that was around $200 (Motorola) had specs way worse than the phone I'm using (Nokia 2.2) to type this message, which is $70 cheaper than the Motorola and has a headphone jack btw.

> Every smartphone on that list was overpriced and runs some horrid vendor customized version of Android Literally the first phone on the list: "Pixel 3A and 3A XL" (by google).

Don't the Pixel phones have a lot of features that aren't part of stock Android?

Re: Best Smartphones That Still Have a Headphone Jack

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Post by Rebelgecko » Mon, Sep 16, 2019, 9:37 PM UTC

chrisseaton wrote: post #179

winternett wrote: post #23

I got a Nokia 7.1 for around $300 and it has the headphone jack and a Micro SD slot, another feature that phone makers are getting rid of... Phone memory is terrible these days, I have a huge collection of Mp3s and wav files I don't want to give up, despite bluetooth stuttering at times in my car. Putting low onboard memory on modern phones should be a crime when USB sticks with 128GB plus are selling for $15... They…

> They do that to boost streaming and data charges... Which phone manufacturers make any money from streaming and data charges?

Apple, when the data is hosted on iCloud

Samsung, when you pay for their cloud data storage

Re: Best Smartphones That Still Have a Headphone Jack

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Post by Rebelgecko » Mon, Sep 16, 2019, 9:38 PM UTC

dobleboble wrote: post #58

Onawa wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, dongles give you the option when the headphone jack is removed. It's just one more thing to remember to bring and possibly lose though. I like being able to grab just the phone and earbud headphones and not have to worry about it.

You could glue the dongle to the headphones.

Then I won't be able to use them with my Macbook Pro

Re: Best Smartphones That Still Have a Headphone Jack

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Post by bradlys » Mon, Sep 16, 2019, 9:40 PM UTC

astine wrote: post #209

Kerrick wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have pretty much never charged my phone and used it at the same time. The cord is too short, and cords that are long enough are unwieldy. Plus, the cord sticks out right where my hand wants to hold the phone. Is this something people actually do in any situation except low-power emergencies?

I do this all the time, especially while driving. I plug an aux cord into my phone to listen to podcasts or audiobooks and plug the usb connection into power supply in my car. I wouldn't be able to do a long road trip if I had to switch between these.

This is a decent amount of people but I think this is increasingly rare as more and more cars have Bluetooth. And it's not hard to update many older cars to newer headunits that have Bluetooth in them. (as I did for some of my cars) or just get a headunit that does power+transmission over USB too.

Re: Best Smartphones That Still Have a Headphone Jack

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Post by javagram » Mon, Sep 16, 2019, 9:40 PM UTC

bdcravens wrote: post #138

tablethnuser wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I may revisit Apple devices once they're done with their headphone jack fiasco. I like their recent privacy focus. I had used them in the past and even tried to take them into their third and fourth years, but they felt sluggish and had more and more app crashes as I fell behind the adoption curve. At their price point I'm absolutely expecting a 4+ year lifespan. I think Apple has a different vision though and is aim…

Apple is well known for removing things: floppy drives, optical drives, serviceable storage and RAM, serviceable batteries, F-key rows, FireWire ports, Ethernet ports, MagSafe, USB-A ports, matte-finish displays, etc. There’s always dissent. Yet they never reverse course.

> Yet they never reverse course.

The “trash can” Mac Pro would like a word...