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100 million dollars to reshape the economics of the web

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Re: 100 million dollars to reshape the economics of the web

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It's crazy, that we still do not have something like "Cash" on the internet. A simple, anonymous way to pay 10 cent or so. To use a website or read an article. That would make the world so much better for indie developers. Currently, an indie dev makes orders of magnitude less money per pageview then Google, Facebook and Co. Because those have all that advertising technology and ecosystem that indie devs don't have.…

Yes, if only the powers that be could let go of dictatorial control of our finances.

But that's just not the way it is. Nothing anonymous can be tolerated.

Re: 100 million dollars to reshape the economics of the web

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None of these web monetization efforts address the fact that the pool of [all consumers' discretionary income they'd be willing to spend] is likely a small fraction of the size of [all commercial companies' marketing budgets]. No matter how much you reduce the friction for having people make small tips to websites, there's just significantly less money to go around, so it can never replace advertising revenue. The only way that would change is if online advertising went away overnight, and instead of companies redirecting that to other forms of advertising, the prices of all consumer goods went down so it stayed in our collective pockets.

Re: 100 million dollars to reshape the economics of the web

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It's crazy, that we still do not have something like "Cash" on the internet. A simple, anonymous way to pay 10 cent or so. To use a website or read an article. That would make the world so much better for indie developers. Currently, an indie dev makes orders of magnitude less money per pageview then Google, Facebook and Co. Because those have all that advertising technology and ecosystem that indie devs don't have.…

Unfortunately the service that is free will always be more popular and ultimately win over more users. People have decided that paying with their privacy is better for them. I really wish paying 10 cents to use the service was the norm, but alas I doubt it will ever happen.

Netflix&Co. are more expensive than bittorrent, and yet the former have gained significant market-share over the latter over the years.

If you want to compete with free you have to offer superior quality and convenience.

Re: 100 million dollars to reshape the economics of the web

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It's crazy, that we still do not have something like "Cash" on the internet. A simple, anonymous way to pay 10 cent or so. To use a website or read an article. That would make the world so much better for indie developers. Currently, an indie dev makes orders of magnitude less money per pageview then Google, Facebook and Co. Because those have all that advertising technology and ecosystem that indie devs don't have.…

Monero (getmonero.org) has many of the properties of cash on the internet. Definitely more so than Bitcoin. It's surprising how few cryptocurrencies take privacy by default seriously.

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Re: 100 million dollars to reshape the economics of the web

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Isn't Mozilla already a non-profit to build a better browser? Shouldn't they focus on that or reduce in-browser ads if they have too much cash?

> Isn't Mozilla already a non-profit to build a better browser

No. Building a browser is one of the things they do to work for their goals, but is not their mission statement.

Re: 100 million dollars to reshape the economics of the web

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None of these web monetization efforts address the fact that the pool of [all consumers' discretionary income they'd be willing to spend] is likely a small fraction of the size of [all commercial companies' marketing budgets]. No matter how much you reduce the friction for having people make small tips to websites, there's just significantly less money to go around, so it can never replace advertising revenue. The on…

Alternatively if advertising became significantly less effective companies would spend less money on it. That's the upside of Ad-blocking which could theoretically make a huge impact.

Re: 100 million dollars to reshape the economics of the web

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It's crazy, that we still do not have something like "Cash" on the internet. A simple, anonymous way to pay 10 cent or so. To use a website or read an article. That would make the world so much better for indie developers. Currently, an indie dev makes orders of magnitude less money per pageview then Google, Facebook and Co. Because those have all that advertising technology and ecosystem that indie devs don't have.…

Monero (getmonero.org) has many of the properties of cash on the internet. Definitely more so than Bitcoin. It's surprising how few cryptocurrencies take privacy by default seriously.

I strongly doubt Monero is the solution to the issue OP is talking about. Can we not shill on HN? Go back to /r/cryptocurrency.

Re: 100 million dollars to reshape the economics of the web

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None of these web monetization efforts address the fact that the pool of [all consumers' discretionary income they'd be willing to spend] is likely a small fraction of the size of [all commercial companies' marketing budgets]. No matter how much you reduce the friction for having people make small tips to websites, there's just significantly less money to go around, so it can never replace advertising revenue. The on…

The web was fine without these commercial companies. Not like their content added a ton of value to the web. The news is mostly propaganda anyhow, belonging to various wealthy parties that want people to pay for their propaganda... If they funded it completely out of pocket, that would be a more honest approach to these "businesses".

The other companies like FB, they took bunch of content that belonged to users that users had tools to publish for free and willingly put them in silos.

There is maybe 1% of content that needs saving. The rest of it is the same sort of drivel that you get from tabloids and I say making that stuff economic non-viable is a good thing. The elites though care about making it work because otherwise the democratic media is "fake news", meaning news heavily slanted to what people want to believe rather than what they are told to believe. If you want that, then they should pay for it. Not the people through taxes as Bernie is proposing... or this scheme.

Other than that we have good models like BBC or PBS on how to do independent government and publically funded programming.

In fact if we re-engineered the web so that there was no data sharing between various systems on the frontend, something like everything has to be served from the same canonical domain, and put it in law that you could not share data between various private companies on the backend without heavy regulation and oversight that would be a better web. I mean prism is already sharing all this data, why don't we put controls on that?

Re: 100 million dollars to reshape the economics of the web

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It's crazy, that we still do not have something like "Cash" on the internet. A simple, anonymous way to pay 10 cent or so. To use a website or read an article. That would make the world so much better for indie developers. Currently, an indie dev makes orders of magnitude less money per pageview then Google, Facebook and Co. Because those have all that advertising technology and ecosystem that indie devs don't have.…

Monero (getmonero.org) has many of the properties of cash on the internet. Definitely more so than Bitcoin. It's surprising how few cryptocurrencies take privacy by default seriously.

Yeah, I'd love to see more websites accept tips in XMR (and see the Monero economy grow overall)
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