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Re: Show HN: Darklang

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Post by nambit »

pbiggar wrote: post #157
tmikaeld wrote: post #152

We have no insight as to what the actual costs of running the infrastructure is. Dark can basically ask for any numbers they want and you'd have to pay it if you build something sizable on this platform, because moving away would be even more costly.

We absolutely want everyone using Dark, so jacking the price like this would be extremely counter productive. If we did that, no-one would start using Dark after that.

Will you guys be transparent on the pricing then?

Re: Show HN: Darklang

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Post by dopeboy »

taco_emoji wrote: post #160

I really want to try this, but when I put my email address in the website, it's making me fill out what I want to build with it and when I plan to ship and what's my favorite cloud platform... Holy crap, y'all, I just want to try out your language. It looks cool and all, but why can't I just download the IDE and try it? How are you going to get traction if normal people can't just play around with your language at ho…

I'd be easy on them. They're still in their early days and want to exercise control over who receives the product. They probably have a good idea about who it's a fit for and who it isn't. Additionally, they probably want to be high touch right now since it is a whole new language + IDE + paradigm.

Re: Show HN: Darklang

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Post by tnolet »

What scares me is that their whole site doesn't mention the word "security" once.

Also "testing" is in the FAQ as a "we're working on it"-item.

Re: Show HN: Darklang

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Post by rad_gruchalski »

pbiggar wrote: post #145
rad_gruchalski wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m not sure if it is possible to give you any feedback on a closed source, invite only beta release but I do have a question: Where is this hosted? Asking as an EU based user with GDPR requirements.

We're not suitable for GDPR compliant applications yet. Now that we've got Dark actually working and shown to the world, we can start addressing it. Currently hosted in GCP, US west.

Thank you.

Re: Show HN: Darklang

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Post by ben174 »

WhitneyLand wrote: post #75

Any chance of a link that doesn't require a medium account? Sounds interesting from the comments.

Medium is seriously the most aggressive offender of this. Popups, Google account snooping. It's really ugly. I seriously don't know why anyone uses Medium anymore. There are plenty of better, less creepy solutions to sharing text.

Re: Show HN: Darklang

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Post by mapcars »

Well I watched the videos, honestly what he is talking is exactly all the problems I've been facing for the last 7 years working on web backends. I wish you well and hope I can use Dark at work one day.

Re: Show HN: Darklang

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Post by pg_bot »

pbiggar wrote: post #157
tmikaeld wrote: post #152

We have no insight as to what the actual costs of running the infrastructure is. Dark can basically ask for any numbers they want and you'd have to pay it if you build something sizable on this platform, because moving away would be even more costly.

We absolutely want everyone using Dark, so jacking the price like this would be extremely counter productive. If we did that, no-one would start using Dark after that.

Paul, the incentives you've put into place with this business will destroy your company. The proposition you've set up for developers is to build their buildings on land you still own. Established developers already understand the risks associated with this practice and will avoid you. At some point if anyone manages to build a business with darklang you will have them over a barrel and they will accept any cost increase below what it would take to switch away from using your platform. If you don't want to raise prices, your successors will.

I don't think this idea will work since there are too many viable options in the marketplace, and people are smart so they will avoid lock-in when they can.

Re: Show HN: Darklang

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Post by msvan »

I think this is really cool. I love that they're writing a projectional editor and trying to make that work, because it's such an obviously good idea that should be more widespread. You can make major DX improvements by tightly integrating tools that are presently decoupled, and that seems to be the big idea behind this.

I have a hard time believing this is going to work, but I've been wrong before and if I lived in the US I'd be tempted to apply for a job. How often do you see programming languages get funded!

Re: Show HN: Darklang

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Post by linux2647 »

pg_bot wrote: post #167
pbiggar wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We absolutely want everyone using Dark, so jacking the price like this would be extremely counter productive. If we did that, no-one would start using Dark after that.

Paul, the incentives you've put into place with this business will destroy your company. The proposition you've set up for developers is to build their buildings on land you still own. Established developers already understand the risks associated with this practice and will avoid you. At some point if anyone manages to build a business with darklang you will have them over a barrel and they will accept any cost incr…

How is this different than running on certain cloud providers? For instance, a team can become deeply integrated with AWS services and then have trouble moving off if AWS starts raising prices.

Re: Show HN: Darklang

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Post by pbiggar »

nambit wrote: post #161
pbiggar wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We absolutely want everyone using Dark, so jacking the price like this would be extremely counter productive. If we did that, no-one would start using Dark after that.

Will you guys be transparent on the pricing then?

Absolutely! We don't have any pricing right now because we have not done any work to figure out what the pricing will be.
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