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Re: LastPass bug leaks credentials from previous site

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Confused as to why tech people in this thread are giving LastPass flak for a single bug. They've had a pretty good track record for the past half decade or so since I've been using them and they submitted a fix immediately for this bug. Bugs happen, and this is a particularly obscure/esoteric bug. Right?

I disagree that they've had a good track record. https://www.martinvigo.com/even-the-lastpass-will-be-stolen-... https://twitter.com/tqbf/status/836619941805764609 https://twitter.com/taviso/status/843965519371812864 I've seen very few security researchers recommend it, while they will recommend other services.

what is the generally recommended service?

Re: LastPass bug leaks credentials from previous site

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post #38

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I'm avoiding the browser extensions, they seem to be a security nightmare. KeePass and similar are a better way to go, if slightly more labor intensive.

Anything that isn't context aware (i.e. knows which website you're on so can provide the relevant information) is doomed to failure right out the gate. I'd prefer people are using any password manager than go for perfection and then quit completely because it was a terrible UX. KeePass may be more secure against certain specific attacks, but it is largely irrelevant if people are going to contrast it against using no…

Yes, for less technical people that's great, but for people who are willing to deal with it for improved security, it's worth it. I'm not suggesting it to mom and pop here.

Re: LastPass bug leaks credentials from previous site

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anything that isn't context aware (i.e. knows which website you're on so can provide the relevant information) is doomed to failure right out the gate. I'd prefer people are using any password manager than go for perfection and then quit completely because it was a terrible UX. KeePass may be more secure against certain specific attacks, but it is largely irrelevant if people are going to contrast it against using no…

The bigger issue is that anything that's not context-aware is vulnerable to phishing. You might think you'd notice if the site you're on had a different URL than the one you're expecting, but that level of constant vigilance might turn out to be more difficult to maintain than you expect. Especially when you take into account some of the more exotic phishing techniques like IDN homograph attacks.

Even more so with browsers actively trying hide URLs.

Re: LastPass bug leaks credentials from previous site

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1Password is very straightforward after they added cloud vaults. Before that, it was kind of a mess, but it works quite decently now.

As far as I know, 1Password has never suffered any hacks or critical vulnerabilities the way that LassPass has. I have used both in the past; I would never, ever recommend LastPass to anyone. 1Password, however? A nearly perfect product (with great support)

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I've been just using Chrome's built-in password storage feature, though I see a lot of people are still using extensions. Any reason to prefer an extension or third party over just using the built-in Chrome feature?

The cool thing about 1Password and similar is that not only do they work in other browsers (Firefox), they also work outside of the browsers (e.g. in iOS I can autofill login boxes with credentials pulled from 1Password)

This feature exists on Android. I can sign in to my chess app with login credentials stored by Chrome (as an example)

Re: LastPass bug leaks credentials from previous site

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I use dropbox to keep my db sync'd between my desktop and android phone.

I did that until Dropbox dropped support for ecryptfs. Using Bitwarden now, very happy with it.

It's back now, but that felt like a rather short-sighted decision from management :(

https://hardware.slashdot.org/story/19/07/22/1534200/dropbox...

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I’m still using non-cloud 1password but I cant recommend it to anyone else or my employees because of the forced cloud thing

FYI, 1Password doesn’t force you to use their cloud service. Even if you subscribe (as opposed to standalone), you still don’t have to actually use it. I switched from an older standalone version to the current subscription version, but I’m not using their cloud service to sync my vault.

Can you point me to some documentation that describes how to get rid of the subscription cloud service? I just want a one time fee to purchase 1P and then I want to just iCloud sync my 1P vaults.

Re: LastPass bug leaks credentials from previous site

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post #56

This is one reason why I believe that browser based password managers are flawed. I've written about this in the past (link below). These apps are popular with normal people (due to convenience), but long-term, we should not trust web browsers plugins or add-ons as password managers. https://github.com/w8rbt/dpg#why-traditional-password-manage...

How well does that scale to more than a handful of passwords? I currently have around 400 in my password manager.

Your documentation says:

> If you need to change all of your passwords, change the sentence.

Note that this works the other way, too: unless you are changing all your passwords, you cannot change the sentence.

Since it is extremely unlikely that I'd ever want to change all 400 passwords at once, in effect that means I'm never going to be able to change the sentence.

All password changes, then, will be done by changing the per-site word. The documentation suggests:

> Use a different word for different sites. Be consistent with case (e.g. google, facebook, twitter, etc.)

OK, that's easy for the initial password, but what happens when I want change my Google password and have to change the word? The obvious approach is to change it to "google2", and the next time change it to "google3", and so on.

Am I expected to remember what variation each of my 400 sites is on? That's probably not practical for most of us, so I'm going to have to have that stored somewhere, and am going to need that storage available to me whenever I need to reconstruct a password, so I need it stores some way that syncs across my devices.

Your document lists not having the burden of storage as an advantage of the generated password approach, but I don't see how to deal with remembering the words without having storage. The burden of storing the words, or storing the version suffix of the words, is less than that of storing encrypted passwords because it isn't as bad if they get out, but it is still a burden.

The document says of password manager master passwords:

> This "master password" is a weak point. If the "master password" is exposed, or there is a slight possibility of potential exposure, confidence in the passwords are lost.

Exposure is also pretty big if the sentence for password generation gets exposed. I think most people are going to use words for sites that are simple, like the ones given as examples in the documentation ("google", "facebook", "twitter"). If I'm able to get someone's sentence, there is a good chance I'll be able to guess their words for a lot of major services.

It seems to me that the main security advantage this approach has is that it is not using a browser plugin, so for a remote site to compromise it they are going to have to find a way to spy on the user when they are typing in the master sentence. For something running in the browser to do that, it's going to have to both find a bug in the browser that lets it get past the browser's security, and find some exploit in the OS that lets it once it escapes the browser to get past the operating system's security that protects processes from each other.

Re: LastPass bug leaks credentials from previous site

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post #38

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I'm avoiding the browser extensions, they seem to be a security nightmare. KeePass and similar are a better way to go, if slightly more labor intensive.

KeePass isn't a solution in case you want to share passwords with family or team members. KeePass is barely decent for personal use only, and only for the desktop. The quality of the available apps differs from platform to platform. For example Bitwarden has a decent iOS app, 1Password has a superb iOS app and in contrast the available KeePass app for iOS is a piece of shit – no offense intended but it's basically un…

keepassdx for android works great

Re: LastPass bug leaks credentials from previous site

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post #38

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I'm avoiding the browser extensions, they seem to be a security nightmare. KeePass and similar are a better way to go, if slightly more labor intensive.

> KeePass and similar are a better way to go, if slightly more labor intensive. Slightly? Just thinking about the synchronization between machines makes this an understatement in my opinion.

I used to use KeepassXC and I just kept my keepass database in a private github repo. It had the added advantage of being accessible from any command line as well as full version history of my passwords.
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