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Re: Women make up 54% of new students entering Iranian universities

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Post by nickik »

joelbluminator wrote: post #109
nickik wrote: post #98

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> I don't think Europe is crazy about Iran having ballistic missiles armed with Nuclear warheads either That just fear mongering. Iran is neither developing missiles that can carry warheads, nor do they have the nuclear material for warheads nor do they have the technology for warheads. The missles Iran are developing are conventional missiles for mid-range applications. They actual understand that Europe doesn't wan…

Unreasonable, hypocritical? The west is dealing with a country that still hangs gays out of cranes (lately it said it has no gay problem because no gays live in Iran). Just because Saudi maybe is just as bad as Iran (which I doubt, since as I said it cooperates with Western interests) doesn't make Iran a reasonable country. If they wanna commit financial suicide that's on them.

Do you know what hypocritical means????

That the US is opposed to Iran has nothing today with human rights or gays or anything like that.

> which I doubt, since as I said it cooperates with Western interests

Again, you seem to suffer under the delusion that the West interest have something to do with human rights.

Its really not up for debate, SA is less Western in pretty much every single way. Both win the governemnt and far more so when you consider the population.

> If they wanna commit financial suicide that's on them.

So being stranggled against the your will or the will of your population is now 'commiting suicide'?

These sanction make the Revolutionary Guard stronger, not weaker. Pure sanctions have proven again and again that they do not lead to regimn or even policy change.

But lets just continue to hurt the population for no reason because it feels good to do something about some PR stories that have nothing to do with the actual conflict.

Re: Women make up 54% of new students entering Iranian universities

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Post by nickik »

skitout wrote: post #103
nickik wrote: post #100

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Well I wouldn't call them crazy. The are religious, but still conduct stategraft as rationally and pragmatist as anybody else. Even more so. Their idiology informs their forign policy, but so much is true for all nations.

When they support Syria or Hamas (Sunni), their are not guided by ideology but by Iranian and regime interst

That a simplistic anaysis. A pragmatist ideology like Lenin often went against his prinicples but he is still an ideolog. That's one of the prime tendencies of leninism. The same for the guys in Iran.

We should be carful of such simplistic binaries between idiology and state interest.

My point is this, they way they go their national interest is defently inspired by idiological ways of thinking.

Re: Women make up 54% of new students entering Iranian universities

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Post by TheSpiceIsLife »

rayiner wrote: post #92
TheSpiceIsLife wrote: post #19

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Politicians are just that class of criminals we’ve regulated well enough to keep the spotlight on them. Judging an entire nation by the ugliness of its politicians would be short sighted. We, us regular folk, have more in common with each other, with our global neighbours, than we ever will the ruling class. Not every US citizen is a Trump support, and not every Trump supporter is a buffoon. And Australian and UK pol…

That’s not true at all. The people are the ones who elect the politicians, remember? In Bangladesh where I’m from, if you’re an American tourist hanging out in areas full of western expats you might be get the wrong impression. But make no mistake. Outside those pockets, you’re in a country where 1/3 of people think people born into Muslim families should be executed if they leave Islam. 80% of women are beaten by th…

> That’s not true at all. The people are the ones who elect the politicians, remember?

Don’t be so naive.

In most democracies that I’m aware of, to win a politician only needs to win 51% of the vote.

I’m in Australia and we have a preferential instant-runoff system[1] so it rapidly gets way more complicated than 51% majority, whereby most of our recent federal elections have been “won” by minority (less than 51%) parties forming a coalition.

What you’re saying, then, is Bangladesh is full of savages and not to come there as a tourist, whereas it’s well know that Iran has a problematic government that frustrates it’s well educated, fairly ordinary, citizens.

Edit to add: Trump didn’t win the popular vote neither; he won due to a quirk of the US electoral system. So I stand by my argument that we shouldn’t judge people by the politicians who claim to represent them.

Edit to add: I just realised who I’m replying to. So now I have another question: why would you even write that? How do you get to being an appellate lawyer and think the political system wholly represents people’s beliefs? This is a genuine question.

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electoral_system_of_Australia

Re: Women make up 54% of new students entering Iranian universities

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Post by joelbluminator »

nickik wrote: post #111
joelbluminator wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unreasonable, hypocritical? The west is dealing with a country that still hangs gays out of cranes (lately it said it has no gay problem because no gays live in Iran). Just because Saudi maybe is just as bad as Iran (which I doubt, since as I said it cooperates with Western interests) doesn't make Iran a reasonable country. If they wanna commit financial suicide that's on them.

Do you know what hypocritical means???? That the US is opposed to Iran has nothing today with human rights or gays or anything like that. > which I doubt, since as I said it cooperates with Western interests Again, you seem to suffer under the delusion that the West interest have something to do with human rights. Its really not up for debate, SA is less Western in pretty much every single way. Both win the governemn…

I never said the U.S opposes Iran only on the base of it's treatment of gays: but it definitely doesn't help. The gay thing is just an example, Iran is a full blown theocracy governed by a totalitarian regime; everything is censored. It's leaders spread hate to the U.S: "Death to America!" (when did Obama or Bush or even Trump ever use such speech?), and it's a destabilising element in the region. Russia and North Korea got sanctions for their behavior, I don' see why Iran shouldn't. Their population is far from starving. I tend to agree the sanctions have yet to prove themselves, but it's a much better tool than full blown war which nobody wants.

Re: Women make up 54% of new students entering Iranian universities

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Post by TulliusCicero »

nickik wrote: post #100
TulliusCicero wrote: post #86

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So you're agreeing with me then? Because I was arguing against > Iranian leadership is not crazy group of religious lunatics. And here you are saying that it's the leadership with all these crazy rules, enforcing them on a perhaps-unwilling populace.

Well I wouldn't call them crazy. The are religious, but still conduct stategraft as rationally and pragmatist as anybody else. Even more so. Their idiology informs their forign policy, but so much is true for all nations.

You could say the same thing about popular televangelists. They're not irrational, their very success speaks to that.

But they're still often thought of as religious kooks, because of the views they espouse. Same kind of deal here.

Re: Women make up 54% of new students entering Iranian universities

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Post by natsecthrow3 »

jaredklewis wrote: post #42
csomar wrote: post #33

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> The problem in Iran is their politicians and the image created around the radical Iranian regime I have another view: The problem with Iran is the USA siding with Saudi Arabia. Both Iran and S.A. are radical islamists countries (one could even argue that S.A. is worse). But somehow Iran is portrayed as evil and S.A. is given a blank check. I'm 95% certain that Iran politicians will hail U.S.A if they were to change…

> Both Iran and S.A. are radical islamists countries (one could even argue that S.A. is worse). What argument could there possibly be that Iran is “worse” than S.A.? As bad as things like human rights are in Iran, they are far worse in SA. The democracy index ( https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_Index ) rates SA a half point lower than Iran, which is fairy significant. Freedom house also rates SA as less free…

>> What argument could there possibly be that Iran is “worse” than S.A.? As bad as things like human rights are in Iran, they are far worse in SA.

Its quite easy to make an argument that the Iranian regime is worse than Saudi Arabia. Iran has killed far more dissidents than Saudi Arabia ever has. For gosh sakes, Iran killed thousands of dissidents in the span of a couple months with the confirmed death toll at a low end of 4,500. Saudi Arabia has never done anything like this, and in fact, Saudi Arabian policy has always fluctuated between crackdowns and trying to accommodate islamist elements by being willing to show leniency; even making decisions to let prisoners go free en masse over several periods. Iran has always had zero tolerance for dissident elements whatsoever. Iran's leaders believe, after all, that the revolution is under constant threat from both internal and external enemies. This isn't to 'defend' saudi arabia and its security services but only to point out a difference that is essentially unknown to the general public.

At the very least, Iran's economic performance has been catastrophic even before the sanctions imposed over its nuclear program. The goal of an oil rich state should be to pump as much oil as possible to the broadest possible market. By this standard, Iran has been the worst performer in the middle east aside from countries at war and its populace is significantly poorer under the current regime than it would be otherwise.

The same thinking influences their foreign policy. Iran takes actions fundamentally destabilizing within the broader middle east because it believes the current state system poses an existential threat to it. Saudi Arabia doesn't believe this at all. Trying to reconcile islamist elements with a broadly pro-western foreign policy has been the modus operandi of saudi leaders since the cold war. You may take Iran's side but that doesn't mean their policy interests are somehow compatible with a nation state interested in preserving the status quo.

Re: Women make up 54% of new students entering Iranian universities

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Post by swat535 »

thereyougo wrote: post #10

Two months ago I went to a journey called the 'Mongol Rally' which is basically a race when you need to drive from the Czech Republic to Mongolia in a shitty car Because I'm from Israel my team couldn't get into Iran but other teams got into Iran and all of them were extremely surprised. Iranians know how to welcome tourists, they were extremely friendly, the food is delicious, the country is beautiful, and many peop…

As an Iranian-Canadian, it breaks my heart to hear this. I wish our country would have welcomed you with open arms.

I know first hand how wonderful Israelis are, I have worked with plenty of talented Israeli software engineers as well as Jewish only owned companies.

I can only hope for a future where our two countries can work hand in hand and collaborate. Perhaps my I am naive in thinking this but what else is there as opposed to strive for a better future?

Re: Women make up 54% of new students entering Iranian universities

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Post by hkai »

thereyougo wrote: post #10

Two months ago I went to a journey called the 'Mongol Rally' which is basically a race when you need to drive from the Czech Republic to Mongolia in a shitty car Because I'm from Israel my team couldn't get into Iran but other teams got into Iran and all of them were extremely surprised. Iranians know how to welcome tourists, they were extremely friendly, the food is delicious, the country is beautiful, and many peop…

I feel it's similar to Russia, an insane regime but fantastic people and people generally seem to be smart and civilized, both in IT and outside of it.

Re: Women make up 54% of new students entering Iranian universities

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Post by apta »

tasogare wrote: post #45
curiousgal wrote: post #41

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I can only speak for Tunisia but the reason women go into STEM is purely economical. STEM jobs pay the most. The way I see it, a lack of women in STEM is a symptom of a healthy economy, who wouldn't want to not deal with spaghetti code if money was not an issue?

> The way I see it, a lack of women in STEM is a symptom of a healthy economy Exactly. What is observable in Japan, where a decent job can still provide for a whole family, is that more than half of women choose to be stay-at-home mom. This is not a plot of "the Patriarchy" but something that make sense for them. On the other side, the current trend in the West to promote women and foreigner work under the diversity…

To farther your point, Jordan Peterson mentions studies in Scandinavia that show that the more equality is given to both genders to pursue their interests, the farther apart they drift. Women tended to go into fields such as nursing, teaching, more people oriented fields, whereas men ended up going into more traditional male fields like STEM.

Far leftists and neo-feminists don't like this of course because it doesn't sit with their narrative that "the patriarchy" is the cause of everything today they don't agree with.

Re: Women make up 54% of new students entering Iranian universities

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Post by apta »

distant_hat wrote: post #51

Not all Islamic societies are against educating women. Another thing that sometimes happens in deeply patriarchal societies is that women are freer to engage in non-earning pursuits. So they study because they don't have to worry about supporting families but they wouldn't be allowed to work later on. It is also seen in India, e.g., where lots of women study but gender participation in the workforce has actually drop…

This is not a religious issue. As a matter of fact, Islam is pro-education regardless of gender. What we see from the likes of Taliban or AlQaeda and their likes is completely anti-Islamic in many ways.
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