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Post by kevin_b_er »

otterley wrote: post #7

Attorney here! (Not legal advice, consult a licensed attorney in your jurisdiction.) Don't get me wrong, but easyDNS may be jumping hastily to conclusions. In many countries, soliciting business there makes you subject to its jurisdiction and laws, regardless of where your business is based. I don't know German law, but I hope that easyDNS consulted their own attorneys on the subject before publishing this post, or t…

Its a huge problem for businesses that operate on the internet. It can magically make you subject to all laws worldwide, at once. You cannot comply with them all.

Re: EasyDNS threatened with criminal complaint if client data not disclosed

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Post by HenryBemis »

This reminds me the PirateBay letters requesting takedowns. Lawyers bullying people across national borders. Sheer stupidity.

I have a cousin, musician, when he finds his music on various pirating websites he emails politely asking them to please help him make a living by removing the link. No empty threats, no bullying. 99% they remove the links within 24h.

Re: EasyDNS threatened with criminal complaint if client data not disclosed

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Post by chooseaname »

bloak wrote: post #25
otterley wrote: post #7

Attorney here! (Not legal advice, consult a licensed attorney in your jurisdiction.) Don't get me wrong, but easyDNS may be jumping hastily to conclusions. In many countries, soliciting business there makes you subject to its jurisdiction and laws, regardless of where your business is based. I don't know German law, but I hope that easyDNS consulted their own attorneys on the subject before publishing this post, or t…

I'm guessing easyDNS doesn't have "attorneys". The article does, however, mention "lawyers": "both easyDNS and our lawyers take a dim view". (Random terminological observation deleted.)

An attorney is a lawyer, though a lawyer isn't necessarily an attorney.

Why are we picking nits over this?

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Post by cesarb »

otterley wrote: post #7

Attorney here! (Not legal advice, consult a licensed attorney in your jurisdiction.) Don't get me wrong, but easyDNS may be jumping hastily to conclusions. In many countries, soliciting business there makes you subject to its jurisdiction and laws, regardless of where your business is based. I don't know German law, but I hope that easyDNS consulted their own attorneys on the subject before publishing this post, or t…

> In many countries, soliciting business there makes you subject to its jurisdiction and laws, regardless of where your business is based.

That line of reasoning always sounded tautological to me. "Law X from country A says that by doing Y you are under jurisdiction of country A", but for "law X from country A" to apply to you, don't you have to already be under jurisdiction of country A in the first place?

Re: EasyDNS threatened with criminal complaint if client data not disclosed

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Post by HenryBemis »

giancarlostoro wrote: post #12
otterley wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think that's why they mentioned "criminal complaint." I suspect (correct me if I'm mistaken) that it's a necessary step to obtaining a subpoena or other process needed to unveil the domain registrant.

Yeah it reads to me (IANAL) as some "legal blackmail", hey give us this info or we sue you for the registrants crimes.

It's an arm twisting move to force give out the name. Once they comply the will move to the next link of the chain and try to twist that arm. It never ends.

Re: EasyDNS threatened with criminal complaint if client data not disclosed

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Post by otterley »

kevin_b_er wrote: post #31
otterley wrote: post #7

Attorney here! (Not legal advice, consult a licensed attorney in your jurisdiction.) Don't get me wrong, but easyDNS may be jumping hastily to conclusions. In many countries, soliciting business there makes you subject to its jurisdiction and laws, regardless of where your business is based. I don't know German law, but I hope that easyDNS consulted their own attorneys on the subject before publishing this post, or t…

Its a huge problem for businesses that operate on the internet. It can magically make you subject to all laws worldwide, at once. You cannot comply with them all.

At least in the U.S., it does not. There's actually a reasonably decent Wikipedia article discussing the case law on the subject: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_jurisdiction_in_Inter...

Re: EasyDNS threatened with criminal complaint if client data not disclosed

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Post by giancarlostoro »

HenryBemis wrote: post #36
giancarlostoro wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah it reads to me (IANAL) as some "legal blackmail", hey give us this info or we sue you for the registrants crimes.

It's an arm twisting move to force give out the name. Once they comply the will move to the next link of the chain and try to twist that arm. It never ends.

Wonder what happens if the registrant has a fake name and address. I guess the domain gets removed?

Re: EasyDNS threatened with criminal complaint if client data not disclosed

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Post by inetknght »

geggam wrote: post #39

This is a good reason to host your site in one country, use a registrar from another, and live in yet another. The most trivial lawsuit will require an international lawyer creating a threshold most significant.

> The most trivial lawsuit will require an international lawyer creating a threshold most significant.

Most people hosting websites can't afford international lawyers.

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