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Re: Neovim v0.4.0

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Post by 314 »

nguoi wrote: post #91
demee wrote: post #19

Why do we need such things in 2019?

It's a shame English doesn't distinguish between non-inclusive-we (the writer and the writer's peers) and inclusive-we (the reader, the writer and the writer's peers). Non-inclusive-we 'need' it because we want it and will make it ourselves. Inclusive-we do not because your individual needs were never and should never be the concern of a project that you have no investment in.

Wow. As a native English speaker that is one of those conceptual biases / holes that we are not aware of until it is pointed out.

Re: Neovim v0.4.0

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Post by 314 »

fhennig wrote: post #58
dmortin wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd say language support is the most important for productivity if we talk about programming. Having the whole API under your fingertips, doing safe refactorings easily, etc. are much more important for productivity than simple editing. If you can refactor a class, move functions, rename variables across the whole project safely (string replace is not enough) with a few clicks then you are much faster than when you h…

This. First of all, I don't know about vim/neovim, but I think a lot of the issues apply there as well. When I develop software, I don't need an editor, I need a development environment. I spend 90% of my time reading code, so reading and navigating the codebase should be very straightforward. Most importantly I want to have a tree view of the files in the project, I want to be able to jump to function/class definiti…

For most of the code reading tasks that you list I would use a bash terminal in the project directory. What is the advantage of having them as functions in your editor?

Re: Neovim v0.4.0

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Post by fortran77 »

maccam94 wrote: post #45
vhakulinen wrote: post #5

I'll just leave a shameless plug for my neovim GUI project here: https://github.com/vhakulinen/gnvim . It has a WIP PR[1] for implementing multigrid support, which would allow features such as scrollbars. There are many other GUIs too, such as oni/oni2, gonvim, neovim-gtk and neovim-qt. Extensive list can be found here: https://github.com/neovim/neovim/wiki/Related-projects#gui 1: https://github.com/vhakulinen/gnvim/…

> shameless plug You didn't even mention it's written in Rust!

"It's written in Rust."

Re: Neovim v0.4.0

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Post by NateEag »

314 wrote: post #101
nguoi wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a shame English doesn't distinguish between non-inclusive-we (the writer and the writer's peers) and inclusive-we (the reader, the writer and the writer's peers). Non-inclusive-we 'need' it because we want it and will make it ourselves. Inclusive-we do not because your individual needs were never and should never be the concern of a project that you have no investment in.

Wow. As a native English speaker that is one of those conceptual biases / holes that we are not aware of until it is pointed out.

As a native English speaker I have been annoyed at this hole in our language on several occasions.

There are lots of other stupid things about it too.

I love it dearly, but English is not elegant or concise.

Re: Neovim v0.4.0

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Post by L0stLink »

blux wrote: post #30
spraak wrote: post #2

> nvim_open_win: create floating windows (and external, for supporting UIs) I've been running 0.4.0 since it came out for this feature. Also I recommend you check out coc.vim for the best completer. It uses the same language server protocol that VS Code uses (and many of the plugins for coc.vim are forked fr VS Code plugins)

Are there any good alternatives for coc.vim? I do not like the NodeJS dependency.

I have been using LanguageClient-neovim[0]. It is great, the main difference I have observed between LanguageClient-neovim and coc.vim is that LanguageClient-neovim provides a more vim centered UX (e.g. it automatically populates location/quickfix list with errors, warnings and hints which enables quickly jumping between error locations) while coc.vim provides a great out-of-the box experience but feels like VSCode strapped to nvim (It has its own extension ecosystem based on VSCode extensions) - I greatly appreciate the effort by coc.vim's developer, he has done great work and coc.vim defiantly has its advantages[1] over LanguageClient-neovim. LanguageClient-neovim requires a lot of customization in order to fit it to your work flow but once it is done, the experience feels a lot more native. On the topic of which, LanguageClient-neovim feels lighter and faster to me and has the added advantage of being usable without any external dependencies (because it is a compiled binary). I highly recommend checking it out.

tl;dr:

coc.vim is for those looking for a VSCode like experience out of nvim (stuff works out of the box requiring minimal customization, installing plugins to get the required functionality) where LanguageClient-neovim is for those who prefer a vim centric approach (extremely minimal, manually customizing everything to get it to fit you workflow).

If you are interested in LanguageClient-neovim you can checkout my config[2][3] you might find it helpful .

[0] https://github.com/autozimu/LanguageClient-neovim

[1] It shows documentation for completion list items in a floating window similar to VSCode.

[2] https://github.com/L0stLink/anvil

[3] https://github.com/L0stLink/anvil/blob/master/settings/Langu...

Re: Neovim v0.4.0

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Post by brbrodude »

bori5 wrote: post #42
YawningAngel wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Command line vim is one of the most productive editing environments on the planet, why wouldn't we?

Love vim but would hate to use it for Java where I found an IDE such as Eclipse much easier to work with. Back in the day when I used to do that sort of thing.

Ugh, Eclipse is disgusting. IntelliJ is much better, and also has a very nice VIM-mode plugin(last time I checked Eclipse one's were bad), so, I prefer having it both ways. Comments mocking vim(like the original parent) are really missing it badly, nothing has so much staying power for no reason.

Re: Neovim v0.4.0

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Post by asdkhadsj »

Here's a random question for Vim users who might know Kakoune...

What can be done to make Vim behave like Kakoune? Odd question, I know. As a former Vim user, I switched to Kakoune about a year ago and absolutely love it. The multi cursor behavior, and selection before action combined to make a really excellent and visual experience.

With that said, after 15 years in the Terminal, I tire of it. I want a GUI. Neovim has made some great advancements to getting users out of the Terminal (should they want that), and I envy Neovim users! Yet, I can't get away from Kakoune.

Is there any hope? Appreciate any replies, thank you.

Re: Neovim v0.4.0

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Post by ponyous »

Anyone has any idea how to get started with VIM window api?

Lets say I want to create a "floating" window on the side and populate it with some text. Where do I start?

Re: Neovim v0.4.0

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Post by noxToken »

cygned wrote: post #97

The most interesting fact about this release - from my personal point of view - is that I don’t care. I am usually very interested in updates to software I use often. nvim/vim is a program I use every day but I never had the feeling that it was lacking anything. I never ran into bugs. I don’t even have the feeling that I will grasp all of its features anyway not to mention the countless plugins. And I expect this upg…

Somewhat off-topic, but that's how I feel about Sublime Text 3. It's fast. It's snappy. It handles MB-sized files with ease. I use it for text editing, small scripting (shell scripting, JS), repetitive text transformations that can be reduced to a macro, and things of that sort. Anything heavier goes into an IDE.
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