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Re: Get Started Making Music

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Post by vectorEQ »

enqk wrote: post #119
vectorEQ wrote: post #118

prefer renoise, it's cheap and super easy to work with :D. Never actually liked the workflow of ableton (personal flavour i suppose), its audio engine is fairly decent, but imho for 500ish euros it costs to get the suite it's a bit expensive for what u get. Cubase has a much superior audio and processing engine like Logic Pro for mac users, and is in a similar pricing range. It has less quality built-in dps etc. ,but…

funnily enough, the founder/creator of renoise was working for Ableton in the early years of renoise

they mix and match a lot :) renoise is a different beast though. and Ableton is definitely not bad at all :) just a matter of preferences for me.

I think some of the renoise devs used to work for cubase, so maybe this guy even whent from there to renoise to ableton. :) thanks for the info though, interesting always :)

Re: Get Started Making Music

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Post by kabacha »

fractalf wrote: post #64

Ableton is great and paved the way for a more creative and intuitive workflow! I switched from Cubase very early on and never looked back. That is, until I found Bitwig ( https://www.bitwig.com ) which supports Linux! They also deserve a shout out taking it even further!

379€ - wow, that's an absurd amount of money for personal software. Include that with every tutorial being priced too and having to buy synths and samples etc this turns into one expensive hobbie.

Re: Get Started Making Music

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Post by coldtea »

chevas wrote: post #34

There's a delay when trying to hit stop on any of the boxes. It's really quite frustrating. I really like this idea. This is something I want to explore as a non-music person.

>There's a delay when trying to hit stop on any of the boxes.

That's per design. They don't stop arbitrarily, but at bar boundaries, so that they stay on rhythm. In other words, it's not a sample player pads, it's clip launch pads...

Re: Get Started Making Music

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Post by [deleted] »

cousin_it wrote: post #104
lultimouomo wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As far as I remember Ardour is GPL software, and on their website[0] I cannot find neither some kind of licensing price or any donation link. Is there some other commercial version of Ardour? [0] https://ardour.org/

They do say they're GPL, and let you download the source, but they also say that 1) building from source is hard 2) they won't keep build instructions up to date 3) they won't answer questions about the build process. https://ardour.org/building_linux.html With that attitude I'm not sure why not just buy commercial.

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Re: Get Started Making Music

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Post by coldtea »

cubano wrote: post #3

Oh my...this is hardly "making music". Is paint-by-numbers making art? I sure don't think so, so neither is this. What would have been way way better is a brief introduction to music keys, major and minor, then basic chords, then progressions, then melody, with each section having a few examples of each so that the person going through the article could have some understanding of how music is really made, and how mus…

>Oh my...this is hardly "making music".

This is a tutorial. Learning scales on the piano is hardly "making music" either.

>Is paint-by-numbers making art? I sure don't think so, so neither is this.

Painting by number surely is one, albeit limited, form of expression, and thus art.

And if you could re-arrange the numbers and change colors, and add your own parts (like you can here) it would be 100% art.

>What would have been way way better is a brief introduction to music keys, major and minor, then basic chords, then progressions, then melody, with each section having a few examples of each so that the person going through the article could have some understanding of how music is really made, and how musical concepts actually relate to each other.

That would be better to make e.g. a classical or jazz musician.

(I was trained when young in those things).

This is for another style of music, that could not give less fucks about those "musical concepts" (you can use some of them - and some are covered in the tutorial -, but you can do it instinctively too, or it can bypass it altogether -- great techno tracks using just one chord for example, or of indeterminate tonality, are very common), but which still enables all kinds of expression (to the point of creating works that can move listeners to tears and heightened emotional states).

Re: Get Started Making Music

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Post by ksangeelee »

cousin_it wrote: post #104
lultimouomo wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As far as I remember Ardour is GPL software, and on their website[0] I cannot find neither some kind of licensing price or any donation link. Is there some other commercial version of Ardour? [0] https://ardour.org/

They do say they're GPL, and let you download the source, but they also say that 1) building from source is hard 2) they won't keep build instructions up to date 3) they won't answer questions about the build process. https://ardour.org/building_linux.html With that attitude I'm not sure why not just buy commercial.

In a way, you are buying commercial. The Ardour people are selling downloads of their binary builds for $1 per download (or more, if you choose), along with some access to support I think.

It's also possible to, for example, 'apt-get install ardour' and get a similar version in Debian Buster. I presume there are lots of other operating systems that this is built for, so Ardour does make a significant contribution to free software.

Re: Get Started Making Music

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Post by delgaudm »

haywirez wrote: post #67
fractalf wrote: post #64

Ableton is great and paved the way for a more creative and intuitive workflow! I switched from Cubase very early on and never looked back. That is, until I found Bitwig ( https://www.bitwig.com ) which supports Linux! They also deserve a shout out taking it even further!

Ableton is a different ballgame if you have the Push interface. Other than that Reaper needs a mention, it is the best DAW[1] in terms of functionality and power. Truly for power-users and not necessarily as a musical idea starter. [1] http://reaper.fm/

> Reaper needs a mention, it is the best DAW in terms of functionality and power.

Could not agree more. I'm a voice actor, and Reaper is my secret weapon for speed and efficiency in non-music-based audio production. I love it.

Re: Get Started Making Music

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Post by jamesb93 »

kabacha wrote: post #122
fractalf wrote: post #64

Ableton is great and paved the way for a more creative and intuitive workflow! I switched from Cubase very early on and never looked back. That is, until I found Bitwig ( https://www.bitwig.com ) which supports Linux! They also deserve a shout out taking it even further!

379€ - wow, that's an absurd amount of money for personal software. Include that with every tutorial being priced too and having to buy synths and samples etc this turns into one expensive hobbie.

Its expensive because its good and the amount of engineering to make sure this doesn't drop a single sample in live performance costs time, expertise and cash.

Re: Get Started Making Music

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Post by hit8run »

I use Ableton for many many years now. Did this remix in one day on vacation just using the acapella and NO external plugins.

https://soundcloud.com/hit8run/happyathens-finetune/s-dWSSq

So you can achieve alot with the productive workflow of ableton. I also bought Logic but never finished a full song with it and always felt restricted by it's workflow.

Re: Get Started Making Music

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Post by delta1 »

kabacha wrote: post #122
fractalf wrote: post #64

Ableton is great and paved the way for a more creative and intuitive workflow! I switched from Cubase very early on and never looked back. That is, until I found Bitwig ( https://www.bitwig.com ) which supports Linux! They also deserve a shout out taking it even further!

379€ - wow, that's an absurd amount of money for personal software. Include that with every tutorial being priced too and having to buy synths and samples etc this turns into one expensive hobbie.

Ableton Live Standard: $449

Cubase Artist: ~ $340

Reaper: Free/$60/$225

Pro tools: ~ $600

It's priced in the same league as its competitors.

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