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For Online Courses, Questions Over How Success is Measured (2014)

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Re: For Online Courses, Questions Over How Success is Measured (2014)

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I think this emphasis on completion rates are a problem. I take a lot of MOOCs, but not all the content in said MOOCs are important. I just watch the parts of courses that are important or relevant to what I am doing, and call it a day. For people learning from non-conventional sources, they are used to using bits and pieces from different online sources and building up their own courses and their own paths. This fas…

I too have signed up to a mooc, simply to watch a particular lecture or two on a topic - as recommended by colleagues or friends. No intention of completing the course, and in fact very happy with the content.

Perhaps they need a box on the signup or viewing form, to indicate "just checking it out to see if I'm interested", or "just here to watch part of the course".

Here in Australia, when students finish high school and enter university it is common to hear them given the advice that it is "okay to change" after a year of your course. Get a feel for it, decide if it is actually for you, calibrate against the teaching/learning style, measure the enjoyment vs effort etc. I imagine MOOCs are starkly in contrast (provide an email address) to the complexity of signing up for a university degree.

Who knows, maybe students even form opinions by partially completing MOOCs in topics they might want to study at a tertiary institution!

Re: For Online Courses, Questions Over How Success is Measured (2014)

#52
I am always amazed when people make comments like this:

"The results of the University of Texas at Austin’s first full-semester foray into massive open online courses, or MOOCs, are in."

"Professor Michael Webber’s “Energy 101,” which had an enrollment that peaked at around 44,000 students, had 5,000 receive a certificate of completion — about 13 percent of the roughly 38,000 students who ultimately participated."

So let's unpack this a bit. Professor Webber created a class called "Energy 101" and processed 5,000 students through it to completion. Your typical 100 level undergraduate class might have anywhere from 50 to 200 students in it.

UT Austin this year had 8690 freshman total.

So assuming the largest possible class of 200, this professor in one semester taught the equivalent of 25 semesters of 200 student classes, in one semester.

Why should we care that 32,000 people signed up and then said "Woah, really don't have the time to commit to this right now?"

It is one thing to move to a campus dorm and start studying some topic. It is quite another to click a few links on a web page and say, "Yeah, that could be an interesting class."

Re: For Online Courses, Questions Over How Success is Measured (2014)

#55
The cost of signup for a MooC is low and the time and effort needed to complete Mooc is rather high. That could explain the lower completion rather and something is still a lot better than nothing. Also why are we comparing against normal courses were people has dedicated time versus online where there is not dedicated time?

I think it would be good to design course content for the medium. Professional adults does not have unlimited spare time, especially not if you have other duties to upkeep that require time family and friends. Thus maybe it would be wise to divide the course content in smaller chunks and reward people for completing each chunk. This would be a design for Mooc that would be very similar to game level design which already works brilliant online! Aka divide and conquer algorithm. Reward people for completing levels.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divide-and-conquer_algorithm

Re: For Online Courses, Questions Over How Success is Measured (2014)

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post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Very much this. I think a large issue with MOOCs is that they're too focused on emulating the structure of a university class - focus on lectures, community built around specific classes, focusing on the metric of course completion rather than on attaining skills, etc. People who successfully teach themselves things (and right now, there are many people using the internet to teach themselves things) often have a very…

People who "successfully" teach themselves are overrated (good examples being Trump or Zuckerberg). They might be successful in a few dimensions (purely out of self discipline and above avg energy levels) but totally miseducated in many others because people don't know what they don't know. Without the right guides, feedback processes, environment and time(lots of time) most people usually end up taking all kinds of…

Trump graduated University, so how are you defining self educated?

Zuckerberg received an honorary degree, which suggests the University approved of what he learnt.

If you're pointing at education as the cause of the problem for these 2, structured education bears at least some of the blame because it should have been teaching the tools for further learning.

Re: For Online Courses, Questions Over How Success is Measured (2014)

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post #14

We grappled with rates when I was engineering manager for the team at Coursera that created course statistics for our partners. The completion “rate” does not matter because the denominator is a very noisy signal. It’s a count of enrollments and what does “enrollment” signal in an online course, when it takes two clicks from a tweet. There are other complexities but completion rate in the “are MOOCs worth offering” q…

How did you end up measuring the course? Completion by students who logged in at least once? Hours spent in course? Cost of course per completion?

It seems like we would want to compare what is learnedC that’s how I value. But not sure how you would test that.

Re: For Online Courses, Questions Over How Success is Measured (2014)

#60
Until Visa officials around the World wake up and smell the coffee that Degrees shouldn't matter for immigration - I will care about and be anxious about my lack of a Degree. Until MOOCs don't confer a degree - it's going to be very hard to convince me to spend time getting a Certificate from it (as opposed to watching the most interesting and important bits and skipping the rest, in the "YouTube University" style).
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