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Tesla has applied for a patent for a new electromagnetic windshield-wiper system

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Re: Tesla has applied for a patent for a new electromagnetic windshield-wiper system

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That's a worse slogan though. Compare "Now with 10% more efficient windshield wipers!" and "Now with 10% dimmer screens!"

Usually when it’s raining there isn’t much need to run the display at full brightness. It’s largely a wash.

"It’s largely a wash."

I see what you did there.

Re: Tesla has applied for a patent for a new electromagnetic windshield-wiper system

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Hm, even LED TVs use something like 30W, don’t think you’d get much out of dimming a tablet sized screen. 50W for 5 hours is 250Wh, which is a mile extra range. That’s worth having.

Tesla's speaker system is 200/560W. So it's possible to get to 50W just from screen and speaker savings. And that's assuming constant worse case use of the wipers: high speed and full load like you're driving through a waterfall. Pulling up a spec sheet for a wiper motor, it looks like normal load is only supposed to draw ~6-10W.

This sort of thing is why I refer to "the noise floor" in these sorts of discussions. It's not that it's untrue that it may save a mile of range, it's just so dominated by other factors that it doesn't matter. Your human cognitive spotlight is focusing on this one fact, and it may be "true", but that doesn't make it important. It's not worth engineering effort to save amounts of power that will be casually wiped away by any number of little things.

(Sometimes you can bind together several little things into one big one worth doing, but human intuition is still often broken by the factors of magnitude involved. 6 %.0002 things still don't add up to anything significant, for insurance, even if it may feel like six things ought to matter.)

Re: Tesla has applied for a patent for a new electromagnetic windshield-wiper system

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I always think it's a bit incongruous to see them on the cockpit windows of airliners. Sort of like having a vacuum tube power supply for your computer. (Two other solutions exist. One is spinning the window, you'll see it on ships. The other is making the window hot.)

Wipers work well, with minimal complexity. Many airliners already use heated window panes for de-icing. Heated windows don't work all that great in a downpour, and wiping is a simple and faster acting alternative. Blasted air is used minimally for windscreens, but it's a common plane de-icing method for the rest of the vehicle. The complexity and weight of using spinning windows on planes makes that idea a non-starte…

Oh, I know the airplane engineers are not fools :-)

The wipers are costly in terms of excrescence drag, and if there was a better way they'd do it.

Re: Tesla has applied for a patent for a new electromagnetic windshield-wiper system

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That’s a bad analogy and I think you know that.

Are you implying that horses are not a viable form of transportation?

In modern cities, and for the large majority of car uses, horses are not a viable form of transportation.

Re: Tesla has applied for a patent for a new electromagnetic windshield-wiper system

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OT: have you ever noticed that most scifi movies depict futuristic cars that can hover or fly but which still use traditional windscreen wipers. You'd have thought they'd add a force field that repels rain or a special coating but no, traditional wipers. Even Bladerunner 2048 did this.

I always think it's a bit incongruous to see them on the cockpit windows of airliners. Sort of like having a vacuum tube power supply for your computer. (Two other solutions exist. One is spinning the window, you'll see it on ships. The other is making the window hot.)

There are a number of small jets that do not have any wipers. As I recall the cirrus visionjet single engine very light jet has no wipers.

Re: Tesla has applied for a patent for a new electromagnetic windshield-wiper system

#96
Some here say 50W is insignificant, but this is what going above 80% means, when you improve everything to get every possible advantage. The car biz is probably very cut throat if you fall behind in mileage. Oh, there is also weight savings without motors and with single blades.

Re: Tesla has applied for a patent for a new electromagnetic windshield-wiper system

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Silicone wipers naturally leave behind a thin silicone film on the glass. Once this film is in place, the water serves as a pretty decent lubricant so long as it's raining.

I’ve found that a windshield at a shallow angle and RainX can negate the need for wipers at high speeds.

It can negate the need for a roof at high speeds, which has saved me on many road trips

(but be careful about driving fast in the rain)

Re: Tesla has applied for a patent for a new electromagnetic windshield-wiper system

#98
I hope this model of wipers get progressively improved and widely adopted. One of the issues with "semicircular" wiping is the areas which cannot be cleaned. If this works well, it will be a significant improvement in driving in rainy parts of the world.

Re: Tesla has applied for a patent for a new electromagnetic windshield-wiper system

#99
Can't think of anything more wasteful than using 50 Neodymium magnets to do a job that could be done with two or three "standard" magnets or, Samarium Cobalt if absolutely necessary. It's grotesque, really, if you start thinking about natural resource utilization. Imagine a hundred million cars adopting something like this. Crazy, if you ask me. A conventional rotary motor has two or three magnets and they don't even have to be high grade.

For some reason I've had a feeling for a while that designers are abusing magnets. It seems they are being thrown into everything and for the most frivolous of reasons sometimes. Isn't this a finite resource?

Re: Tesla has applied for a patent for a new electromagnetic windshield-wiper system

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For 50W, you may as well dim the infotainment display and turn off the music for more power savings.

Hm, even LED TVs use something like 30W, don’t think you’d get much out of dimming a tablet sized screen. 50W for 5 hours is 250Wh, which is a mile extra range. That’s worth having.

What’s funny is all of these trade offs have always applied to ICE cars as well, but for some reason no one cares. Blasting your radio shortens your range even in a gas vehicle. Running your wipers shortens your range even in a gas car.
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