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Tesla has applied for a patent for a new electromagnetic windshield-wiper system

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Re: Tesla has applied for a patent for a new electromagnetic windshield-wiper system

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OT: have you ever noticed that most scifi movies depict futuristic cars that can hover or fly but which still use traditional windscreen wipers. You'd have thought they'd add a force field that repels rain or a special coating but no, traditional wipers. Even Bladerunner 2048 did this.

I always think it's a bit incongruous to see them on the cockpit windows of airliners. Sort of like having a vacuum tube power supply for your computer. (Two other solutions exist. One is spinning the window, you'll see it on ships. The other is making the window hot.)

Wipers work well, with minimal complexity.

Many airliners already use heated window panes for de-icing. Heated windows don't work all that great in a downpour, and wiping is a simple and faster acting alternative.

Blasted air is used minimally for windscreens, but it's a common plane de-icing method for the rest of the vehicle.

The complexity and weight of using spinning windows on planes makes that idea a non-starter.

hydrophobic coatings are also in use, but are generally avoided for the duty of primary windscreens due to most hydrophobic coatings lacking durability to physical stress and contact.

Re: Tesla has applied for a patent for a new electromagnetic windshield-wiper system

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> Why replace a simple but essential thing that works (i.e. current wipers) with a more complicated one that it will have lots of additional ways to fail? Do you mean like door handles? Presumably because it looks cool.

On the doorhandles I can see the point: to make the vehicle more aerodynamic. Every little bit counts, four doorhandles are quite a bit of disturbance of the airflow.

I was actually thinking that this windshield wiper design had some potential to be more aerodynamic.

Re: Tesla has applied for a patent for a new electromagnetic windshield-wiper system

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For 50W, you may as well dim the infotainment display and turn off the music for more power savings.

That's a worse slogan though. Compare "Now with 10% more efficient windshield wipers!" and "Now with 10% dimmer screens!"

Usually when it’s raining there isn’t much need to run the display at full brightness. It’s largely a wash.

Re: Tesla has applied for a patent for a new electromagnetic windshield-wiper system

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Tesla mentions that the mechanical components of the traditional wiper blade create a lot of friction, which requires more power to the motor that moves the arm back and forth. I thought it was the friction of the wipers themselves on the glass that takes the most power... In any case, some research reveals that typical wiper motors are <50W, which even if that was reduced to 0, would be an insignificant fraction of…

Silicone wipers naturally leave behind a thin silicone film on the glass. Once this film is in place, the water serves as a pretty decent lubricant so long as it's raining.

I’ve found that a windshield at a shallow angle and RainX can negate the need for wipers at high speeds.

Re: Tesla has applied for a patent for a new electromagnetic windshield-wiper system

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If they want to have one single blade move back and forth, that's cool, but this seems like a bafflingly complex way to do it. What's wrong with a normal linear actuator? It's powered by a regular electric motor (something right in Tesla's wheelhouse), can be built very reliable, and is plenty efficient. There's no reason to build the Space Shuttle when people just want an electric car, and won't be able to tell the…

> If they want to have one single blade move back and forth, that's cool, but this seems like a bafflingly complex way to do it.

Some Mercedes models do this. The wiper shifts inward toward the middle of the stroke.

Re: Tesla has applied for a patent for a new electromagnetic windshield-wiper system

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Tesla mentions that the mechanical components of the traditional wiper blade create a lot of friction, which requires more power to the motor that moves the arm back and forth. I thought it was the friction of the wipers themselves on the glass that takes the most power... In any case, some research reveals that typical wiper motors are <50W, which even if that was reduced to 0, would be an insignificant fraction of…

For 50W, you may as well dim the infotainment display and turn off the music for more power savings.

Hm, even LED TVs use something like 30W, don’t think you’d get much out of dimming a tablet sized screen.

50W for 5 hours is 250Wh, which is a mile extra range. That’s worth having.

Re: Tesla has applied for a patent for a new electromagnetic windshield-wiper system

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"...is supposed to be more efficient and better-looking..." Not sure how it can be better looking—all luxury cars already hide their wipers below the hood line already. Seems overly complex with many more failure points. Wipers are the one thing you don't want to fail when you need them.

Have you seen pictures of the new roadster model? The wiper is not exactly subtle.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Roadster_(2020)#/media...

Re: Tesla has applied for a patent for a new electromagnetic windshield-wiper system

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For 50W, you may as well dim the infotainment display and turn off the music for more power savings.

Hm, even LED TVs use something like 30W, don’t think you’d get much out of dimming a tablet sized screen. 50W for 5 hours is 250Wh, which is a mile extra range. That’s worth having.

Tesla's speaker system is 200/560W. So it's possible to get to 50W just from screen and speaker savings. And that's assuming constant worse case use of the wipers: high speed and full load like you're driving through a waterfall. Pulling up a spec sheet for a wiper motor, it looks like normal load is only supposed to draw ~6-10W.

Re: Tesla has applied for a patent for a new electromagnetic windshield-wiper system

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For 50W, you may as well dim the infotainment display and turn off the music for more power savings.

Hm, even LED TVs use something like 30W, don’t think you’d get much out of dimming a tablet sized screen. 50W for 5 hours is 250Wh, which is a mile extra range. That’s worth having.

> 50W for 5 hours is 250Wh, which is a mile extra range. That’s worth having.

That represents about 0.5% of a Tesla's advertised range.

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