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France and Germany Agree to Block Facebook's Libra

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Re: France and Germany Agree to Block Facebook's Libra

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Banks don't follow full reserve banking. They follow fractional reserve banking. When you put 1 Euro in the bank, they have discretion as to how to invest this amount and only need to keep a fraction of your money in reserves. With a bank I'm also stuck being exposed to the currency of my account. And European banks often have fees or minimum balances. Libra offers benefits to banks and is safer. [edit] The idea of a…

How is Libra a full reserve bank if investment is how they make their money? It doesn't sound any different at all except there's no regulations and no government backing (such as FDIC guarantees).

Full reserve:

> By fully backing each coin with a set of stable and liquid assets (described later) and by working with a competitive group of exchanges and other liquidity providers, users can have confidence that they will be able to sell any Libra coin at or close to the value of the reserve at any time. [0]

They'll fund expenses from the return of the investments.

> How will the reserve be invested? Users of Libra do not receive a return from the reserve. The reserve will be invested in low-risk assets that will yield interest over time. The revenue from this interest will first go to support the operating expenses of the association — to fund investments in the growth and development of the ecosystem, grants to nonprofit and multilateral organizations, engineering research, etc. [0]

Brokerages do this as well and earn most of their money this way (people keep cash in brokerage account and brokerage invests and earns interest).

> 57% of Schwab’s revenues are from net interest. The firm could literally give away every other service; discount the mutual fund fees to zero, do away with commissions, etc etc, and they would still be profitable. [1]

[0] https://libra.org/en-US/about-currency-reserve/#the_reserve

[1] https://www.kalzumeus.com/2019/6/26/how-brokerages-make-mone...

Re: France and Germany Agree to Block Facebook's Libra

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Banks don't follow full reserve banking. They follow fractional reserve banking. When you put 1 Euro in the bank, they have discretion as to how to invest this amount and only need to keep a fraction of your money in reserves. With a bank I'm also stuck being exposed to the currency of my account. And European banks often have fees or minimum balances. Libra offers benefits to banks and is safer. [edit] The idea of a…

How is Libra a full reserve bank if investment is how they make their money? It doesn't sound any different at all except there's no regulations and no government backing (such as FDIC guarantees).

Do you understand what 1:1 means in the context of banking?

Re: France and Germany Agree to Block Facebook's Libra

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I'm of course not familiar with the specific mindsets and the history of this decision, but I want to share a bit of cultural perspective from Germany that is so far not really considered in this comment section: Germany is very, very keen on preventing powerful entities from acting outside of regulation and similarly, if not more, on preventing a single entity to get in control of everything. This is largely due to…

The strange part to me is just that there are already hundreds of crypto currencies available in Germany. When the government says that yes, these hundreds of currencies are fine, but Facebook can’t create one, then it just seems like the policy is anti-Facebook for the sake of being anti-Facebook.

How many of those are backed (edit: created and fully controlled) by a foreign company with 2.4 billion active users and extremely questionable privacy track record?

Re: France and Germany Agree to Block Facebook's Libra

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I think this action is a symptom of a much larger, and much more serious disease, namely the fall in trust for traditional fiat currencies like the euro and the dollar. Decades of irresponsible monetary policy and runaway inflation (CPI does not capture the whole picture, look at asset prices the past decade) since the abolishment of the gold standard has lead the general public to indirectly feel disenfranchised wit…

I think you're right about the general unrest but frustratingly we see snake oil bubble to the top.

A new gold standard with rent seekers won't save us from stagnant wage growth.

Re: France and Germany Agree to Block Facebook's Libra

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I'm of course not familiar with the specific mindsets and the history of this decision, but I want to share a bit of cultural perspective from Germany that is so far not really considered in this comment section: Germany is very, very keen on preventing powerful entities from acting outside of regulation and similarly, if not more, on preventing a single entity to get in control of everything. This is largely due to…

Ironically, Germany generally also controls the Euro for the so called PIIGS countries. For all intents and purposes the euro is just as much as an externally-controlled entity as the Libra.

Oh come on, you’re being (deliberately?) quite liberal with the truth here.

Re: France and Germany Agree to Block Facebook's Libra

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> without also impacting a lot of other companies and people doing similar things because the law should apply equally to all. Other blockchains have not been blocked outright because they don't pose a threat and are developing slowly, so EU countries are working towards more or less sensible regulations. Facebook has far more power to drive adoption, so in order to avoid a situation where Facebook screws up (intenti…

Maybe but I'm just making the point that Facebook has plenty of ways to use most or all of what they announced regarding Libra to basically meet their stated goal of providing a wallet feature to users that would basically amount to them doing very similar/identical things as other companies already do and would be quite hard to ban for that same reason. The reason I bring up payment solutions is because that is lite…

This sounds suspiciously like the “we are too smart for you to regulate us” argument.

When reading a lot of these arguments, a lot of them seem to me to be very “white box” defending the end result against legislation by arguing about the internal implementation.

Facebook is creating a financial instrument. I’m a bit surprised regulators couldn’t use _existing_ legislation to prevent them from using it in a country.

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Which is one reason why capital controls are so destructive. Allowing denizens to keep their savings in whatever form they so choose is a human right. Libra will afford people the option to invest in and use a token that is backed 1 for 1 to a basket of global currencies and government bonds at a low cost.

The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic state itself. That, in its essence, is fascism—ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power.

Giving people an option to invest in a basket of relatively safe investments and currencies is growth of private power that will lead to fascism?

Re: France and Germany Agree to Block Facebook's Libra

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Pride comes before the fall. Facebook should have spent much of their energy fixing their image first and not tackling anything like Libra. If they need money they need to focus on products that provide real value without intruding on privacy. They need to study how Microsoft turned around their image. It takes time.

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> Germany is very, very keen on preventing powerful entities from acting outside of regulation and similarly, if not more, on preventing a single entity to get in control of everything If you watched the news some time during the last 30 years you get quite a different impression. The German government parties, particularly CDU, CSU and SPD, are _constantly_ trying to grab power and erode our civil liberties; They ba…

>> The only problem the German government has with Facebook Libra is that they themselves don't control it. I don’t see why this is hypocritical, a problem, or even an argument. The CDU, etc... are elected by the German people and hence are designated by the people to control state power. It’s their job to control these kinds of things. Facebook is elected by no one, represents only Mark Zuckerberg’s interests, and i…

>It’s their job to control these kinds of things

No, that’s not a given. Many people don’t agree that it’s the government’s job to decide what kind of currencies you’re allowed to hold and trade.

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