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Re: Cabin releases 2nd-gen fleet of sleeper bus from SF to LA and back

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Post by CHY872 »

1v1id wrote: post #19
9nGQluzmnq3M wrote: post #9

"1.6x smoother than a maglev bullet train"? There aren't even any "maglev bullet" trains in service. (Unless they're referring to the Shanghai Transrapid, which is bumpy as hell but takes only about 10 minutes.)

What do you mean? The Japanese bullet train is maglev, and frankly I was under the assumption that almost all "bullet" trains need to use maglev to get those kinds of speeds. https://www.jrailpass.com/blog/maglev-bullet-train

Bullet trains are sadly not maglev. They actually don't go _that_ fast (180-200MPH-ish is common), but look incredibly sleek compared to European high speed trains due to the aerodynamics of dealing with the large number of tunnels that Japan has.

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Post by thirtyseven »

1v1id wrote: post #19
9nGQluzmnq3M wrote: post #9

"1.6x smoother than a maglev bullet train"? There aren't even any "maglev bullet" trains in service. (Unless they're referring to the Shanghai Transrapid, which is bumpy as hell but takes only about 10 minutes.)

What do you mean? The Japanese bullet train is maglev, and frankly I was under the assumption that almost all "bullet" trains need to use maglev to get those kinds of speeds. https://www.jrailpass.com/blog/maglev-bullet-train

From your own link:

"In 2009, the Maglev system was approved and entered commercial construction. The linear Chuo Shinkansen line is planned to link Tokyo and Nagoya by the year 2027."

Re: Cabin releases 2nd-gen fleet of sleeper bus from SF to LA and back

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Post by [deleted] »

1v1id wrote: post #19
9nGQluzmnq3M wrote: post #9

"1.6x smoother than a maglev bullet train"? There aren't even any "maglev bullet" trains in service. (Unless they're referring to the Shanghai Transrapid, which is bumpy as hell but takes only about 10 minutes.)

What do you mean? The Japanese bullet train is maglev, and frankly I was under the assumption that almost all "bullet" trains need to use maglev to get those kinds of speeds. https://www.jrailpass.com/blog/maglev-bullet-train

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Re: Cabin releases 2nd-gen fleet of sleeper bus from SF to LA and back

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Post by ceejayoz »

TehCorwiz wrote: post #16
selectodude wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because China can tell you “hey you don’t live here anymore” and plow right through neighborhoods and farms. Our property rights in the US are pretty absolute.

Two words “eminent domain”. The government, both federal and state (depending on the state) can absolutely obtain your land with zero recourse. They’ll pay you for it, but you don’t get a choice.

There’s plenty of political recourse, especially when you’re taking property from thousands of people in one project.

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Post by selectodude »

TehCorwiz wrote: post #16
selectodude wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because China can tell you “hey you don’t live here anymore” and plow right through neighborhoods and farms. Our property rights in the US are pretty absolute.

Two words “eminent domain”. The government, both federal and state (depending on the state) can absolutely obtain your land with zero recourse. They’ll pay you for it, but you don’t get a choice.

The paying for land is a huge cost center for massive construction projects. Especially ones that require a 400 mile unbroken piece of land. Not to mention you can tie even eminent domain up in litigation for years.

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Post by xoa »

TehCorwiz wrote: post #16
selectodude wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because China can tell you “hey you don’t live here anymore” and plow right through neighborhoods and farms. Our property rights in the US are pretty absolute.

Two words “eminent domain”. The government, both federal and state (depending on the state) can absolutely obtain your land with zero recourse. They’ll pay you for it, but you don’t get a choice.

>with zero recourse

What? There is absolutely recourse, such as "sue them and at a minimum tie the project up in lawsuits for years". Or "be furious and rally with lots of other furious land owners/interested citizens and vote the bums out" because focused single interests, even as minorities, often can exert a great deal of political influence in a democracy. Or even illegally resisting through various means, which might not affect this area of California specifically but is a real threat in some parts of the US.

Eminent domain has an important place and has be used well, as well as abused. But whether justified or not its use, particularly in modern, is frequently fraught with controversy and political/legal battles.

Re: Cabin releases 2nd-gen fleet of sleeper bus from SF to LA and back

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Post by jonknee »

> During our one-year pilot, road turbulence was a frequent guest complaint. Cabin G2 introduces our proprietary bump-canceling technology, Cabin Cloud. Beneath select cabins, a suite of sensors, electric motors and control algorithms instantly respond to road imperfections by moving a guest’s bed up or down to control the vibration. The technology transforms a bump that would take a passenger out of the deepest sleep, into a bump that they hardly notice.

This reads like parody (road turbulence?!). I haven't done it in a while, but isn't I-5 between LA and SF is a pretty normal interstate in terms of ride quality? They make it sound like an off road experience. I could see emphasizing a quiet ride, but just about any vehicle should be a smooth one.

Re: Cabin releases 2nd-gen fleet of sleeper bus from SF to LA and back

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Post by tastygreenapple »

TehCorwiz wrote: post #16
selectodude wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because China can tell you “hey you don’t live here anymore” and plow right through neighborhoods and farms. Our property rights in the US are pretty absolute.

Two words “eminent domain”. The government, both federal and state (depending on the state) can absolutely obtain your land with zero recourse. They’ll pay you for it, but you don’t get a choice.

what about "environmental review"?

Re: Cabin releases 2nd-gen fleet of sleeper bus from SF to LA and back

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Post by hn_throwaway_99 »

tathougies wrote: post #6

Wow, it's almost like there's demand for a high-speed, non-driving land route between LA and SF. If only we had a fixed route land vehicle that could provide a smooth, direct route that had enough space for people to do things like sleep, rest, and use the bathroom. Maybe I'll call this idea 'a high-speed train' and propose that California build one between LA and SF... oh wait.

> Wow, it's almost like there's demand for a high-speed, non-driving land route between LA and SF.

We'll see, it's not like this service has proved viability yet. As other's have pointed out, this is about twice the price of an hour and 40 minute flight. While some commenters are arguing that there are some folks who would take it to skip the hassle of the airport, I think pretty much the only people who would take this are those with a pretty severe fear of flying.

Re: Cabin releases 2nd-gen fleet of sleeper bus from SF to LA and back

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Post by eikenberry »

gok wrote: post #15

It's twice the price of a flight, and with planes you can pick between 3 major airports in SFBA and 5 in LA, which are probably closer to the locations you're really going between.

Isn't only twice the price pretty good for a brand new, unscaled service? Particularly compared to a century old industry that has had ages to optimize.
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