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Facebook removed a fact-check on anti-abortion video after Ted Cruz complained

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Re: Facebook removed a fact-check on anti-abortion video after Ted Cruz complained

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Post by nocturnial »

rpmisms wrote: post #2

I am pro-life, with the exception of medical emergencies. I'm not going to argue about that. Seeing the discourse going downhill like this hurts, since it's just one more broad-brush tool to use against a different side.

I agree.

The discourse in your country doesn't seem to revolve about facts any more. At the moment it's just political. I'm wondering why this is on HN at all. We all know whatever is going to be said about this topic is going to be political eventually.

(wow fastest downvote ever, I just posted this, like 5 seconds, and it already got a downvote :)

Re: Facebook removed a fact-check on anti-abortion video after Ted Cruz complained

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Post by dvt »

pjc50 wrote: post #3
rpmisms wrote: post #2

I am pro-life, with the exception of medical emergencies. I'm not going to argue about that. Seeing the discourse going downhill like this hurts, since it's just one more broad-brush tool to use against a different side.

"Going" downhill? https://www.vox.com/2015/12/1/9827886/abortion-clinic-attack... "Since 1977 there have been eight murders, 17 attempted murders, 42 bombings, and 186 arsons targeted at abortion clinics and providers across the United States. In some cases, a small group of clinics have been targeted multiple times."

Your inflammatory pseudo-counter-argument doesn't change the fact that abortion in cases of non-life-threatening births remains morally problematic.

The personhood debate is nontrivial and unless, like e.g., Peter Singer, you're willing to (excuse the pun) throw the baby out with the bathwater, justification for mid-to-late-term abortions is quite difficult and rife with edge cases.

Re: Facebook removed a fact-check on anti-abortion video after Ted Cruz complained

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Post by ndidi »

pjc50 wrote: post #3
rpmisms wrote: post #2

I am pro-life, with the exception of medical emergencies. I'm not going to argue about that. Seeing the discourse going downhill like this hurts, since it's just one more broad-brush tool to use against a different side.

"Going" downhill? https://www.vox.com/2015/12/1/9827886/abortion-clinic-attack... "Since 1977 there have been eight murders, 17 attempted murders, 42 bombings, and 186 arsons targeted at abortion clinics and providers across the United States. In some cases, a small group of clinics have been targeted multiple times."

Are you accusing everybody who is pro-life of doing or supporting this? Because that's really what it sounds like.

Re: Facebook removed a fact-check on anti-abortion video after Ted Cruz complained

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Post by jothezero »

ashes-of-sol wrote: post #6
pjc50 wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Going" downhill? https://www.vox.com/2015/12/1/9827886/abortion-clinic-attack... "Since 1977 there have been eight murders, 17 attempted murders, 42 bombings, and 186 arsons targeted at abortion clinics and providers across the United States. In some cases, a small group of clinics have been targeted multiple times."

Perhaps instead of "pro life", a better moniker would be "forced birth"

Maybe pro-taking-responsibility

Re: Facebook removed a fact-check on anti-abortion video after Ted Cruz complained

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Post by ceejayoz »

jMyles wrote: post #9
jjulius wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They screened videos to ensure the facts pertaining to a medical procedure were correct. The fact check itself had nothing to do with politics.

> It had nothing to do with politics. Surely you can see that this is impossible. There is no component of a video like this which has "nothing to do with politics."

Let's say 30-40% of the population takes the political position that the eye is directly attached to the knee.

Saying that's not true isn't a political position, even if the falsehood it's debunking is one.

Re: Facebook removed a fact-check on anti-abortion video after Ted Cruz complained

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Post by jjulius »

jMyles wrote: post #9
jjulius wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They screened videos to ensure the facts pertaining to a medical procedure were correct. The fact check itself had nothing to do with politics.

> It had nothing to do with politics. Surely you can see that this is impossible. There is no component of a video like this which has "nothing to do with politics."

No, it's not. Please re-read my post. I said that "the fact check itself" is not political. I did not defend the political bias of the video itself.

You would also do well to actually read the article, especially the screenshot of the fact-check. You'll notice that the fact-check, per my post, simply addresses the facts of the issue and does not make a single political statement.

Edit: You also modified my statement when quoting me, making it more ambiguous than I had written it. Please be sure to quote people accurately in the future.

Re: Facebook removed a fact-check on anti-abortion video after Ted Cruz complained

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Post by tathougies »

pjc50 wrote: post #3
rpmisms wrote: post #2

I am pro-life, with the exception of medical emergencies. I'm not going to argue about that. Seeing the discourse going downhill like this hurts, since it's just one more broad-brush tool to use against a different side.

"Going" downhill? https://www.vox.com/2015/12/1/9827886/abortion-clinic-attack... "Since 1977 there have been eight murders, 17 attempted murders, 42 bombings, and 186 arsons targeted at abortion clinics and providers across the United States. In some cases, a small group of clinics have been targeted multiple times."

I mean, that is terrible, but abortion clinics commit millions of murders each year according to pro-lifers, so your comment falls on deaf ears.
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