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Re: The grandmaster diet: How to lose weight while barely moving

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Post by RandallBrown »

omginternets wrote: post #79
scarface74 wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hate to be blunt. But this is as much pseudoscience as the anti vaxers. Losing weight and gaining weight is simple physics. There is also a big difference between losing weight based on water weight and losing real body mass. I sweat like a pig anytime I work out. I use to teach two hour fitness classes and even now after the end of a workout, I’ve “lost 5 pounds” but that’s pure water weight. I’m burning around 10…

>Losing weight and gaining weight is simple physics I assume you're referring to the "energy in" vs "energy out" meme in weight-loss. The body is not a closed system. While you _do_ have to balance your chemical equations for glucose catabolysis (or whatever), weight loss is far from a "simple physics" problem.

If you eat 500 calories and burn 600 calories, the energy has to come from somewhere. So in a sense it is actually a pretty simple physics problem.

It gets tricky because calculating calorie consumption is really hard (how much of what you ate was actually turned into energy) and calculating calorie expenditure is probably even harder.

Re: The grandmaster diet: How to lose weight while barely moving

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Post by jp555 »

RobertRoberts wrote: post #9

I did tests for weight loss. I found that you don't lose weight until you sleep. (stay up all night and weigh your self repeatedly, in the morning, no loss, but after you sleep and wake, your weight goes back to "morning weight") I found that if you don't sleep well, you don't lose as much. If you eat too late before going to bed, you don't lose as much. If you adjust your diet (however you want is my experience) to…

Insufficient sleep undermines dietary efforts to reduce adiposity - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2951287/

Re: The grandmaster diet: How to lose weight while barely moving

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Post by crispyporkbites »

uptownfunk wrote: post #20
RobertRoberts wrote: post #9

I did tests for weight loss. I found that you don't lose weight until you sleep. (stay up all night and weigh your self repeatedly, in the morning, no loss, but after you sleep and wake, your weight goes back to "morning weight") I found that if you don't sleep well, you don't lose as much. If you eat too late before going to bed, you don't lose as much. If you adjust your diet (however you want is my experience) to…

Totally this. I kid you not, I fasted the entire day and somehow weighted the same, and when I slept for three to four hours I literally woke up 2 lbs. less. It almost defies reason the importance of sleep in weight loss. Probably gives new hypothesis of “dad weight”, you gain weight because you don’t get good sleep after having a kid.

> “dad weight”, you gain weight because you don’t get good sleep after having a kid.

No this is because you've had a baby and don't need to be in good shape to keep or sleep with your partner, so you stop going to the gym, eating well, doing exercise etc. Applies to both sexes.

Re: The grandmaster diet: How to lose weight while barely moving

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Post by Retric »

omginternets wrote: post #83
AimForTheBushes wrote: post #59

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This. It's all an input/output ratio. The quickest way to gain two pounds is drinking 32oz of water.

>It's all an input/output ratio. Except it's not. The body is not a closed system. The law of conservation of mass & energy just means you have to balance your chemical equations. It doesn't necessarily mean eating more will make you fat. (Maybe it does, maybe it doesn't ... it's just not necessarily the case.) Appeal to intuition: you can eat 10k calories of straight lard, and you will crap most of it out. You can d…

> crap most of it out

What’s not absorbed by your digestive system is not considered “in” which why cellulose for example is not counted as calories. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atwater_system

However, you also absorb and excrete more than just energy calcium for example.

Re: The grandmaster diet: How to lose weight while barely moving

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Post by partialrecall »

omginternets wrote: post #99
partialrecall wrote: post #86

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Surely energy going into and out of the body, which is the point of the "meme", is mutually exclusive with the body being a closed system.

Yes, that's very much my point! By extension, it excludes reasoning about weight loss in terms of conservation of mass/energy.

I think you're missing the point of the "meme". The point of the meme is that human bodies are not closed systems, and that the way to regulate the state of the system is to regulate what goes into and out of the system (if bodies were closed systems, there wouldn't be inputs or outputs to regulate.)

Re: The grandmaster diet: How to lose weight while barely moving

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Post by jtuente »

omginternets wrote: post #83
AimForTheBushes wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This. It's all an input/output ratio. The quickest way to gain two pounds is drinking 32oz of water.

>It's all an input/output ratio. Except it's not. The body is not a closed system. The law of conservation of mass & energy just means you have to balance your chemical equations. It doesn't necessarily mean eating more will make you fat. (Maybe it does, maybe it doesn't ... it's just not necessarily the case.) Appeal to intuition: you can eat 10k calories of straight lard, and you will crap most of it out. You can d…

In any case where someone is mentioning CICO seriously, it's meant in the sense of a regular human diet (not necessarily balanced and healthy). Making a point from a fallacious example is a waste of time.

Re: The grandmaster diet: How to lose weight while barely moving

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Post by trophycase »

RandallBrown wrote: post #101
omginternets wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Losing weight and gaining weight is simple physics I assume you're referring to the "energy in" vs "energy out" meme in weight-loss. The body is not a closed system. While you _do_ have to balance your chemical equations for glucose catabolysis (or whatever), weight loss is far from a "simple physics" problem.

If you eat 500 calories and burn 600 calories, the energy has to come from somewhere . So in a sense it is actually a pretty simple physics problem. It gets tricky because calculating calorie consumption is really hard (how much of what you ate was actually turned into energy) and calculating calorie expenditure is probably even harder.

The point is that the body adapts to burn more or fewer calories depending on how much you eat. Restricting calories can possibly have the side effect of just lowering your metabolism, rather than just losing weight.

Re: The grandmaster diet: How to lose weight while barely moving

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Post by jimmaswell »

tsumnia wrote: post #92
EGreg wrote: post #68

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I never understood this point of view. It’s like people who didn’t believe in washing hands until bacteria were discovered. Yes sure calories in calories out. But metabolism has so many variables. It can be revved up and burn a lot of calories. It can become quiescent when you are in starvation mode. What causes it to start using the fat reserves is definitely more than a univariate analysis. If there is a catalyst t…

> Some people are naturally skinny and others put on weight quickly. This is already well known and shows that there are complex genetic inputs as well as other ones. We have to discover what those are. So saying it’s just calories in/out, stupid... nope! I never really understood why this was always a catch-all trump card. So you can't gain/lose weight as easily as others. In my mind that just means you need to work…

Or people who are naturally fit with no effort vs. people who aren't willing to massively restrict their diet and live in discomfort for the rest of their lives since the body permanently adapts to expecting a certain amount of food: https://www.thecut.com/2016/05/weight-loss-metabolism-slows-...

Re: The grandmaster diet: How to lose weight while barely moving

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Post by olalonde »

RobertRoberts wrote: post #9

I did tests for weight loss. I found that you don't lose weight until you sleep. (stay up all night and weigh your self repeatedly, in the morning, no loss, but after you sleep and wake, your weight goes back to "morning weight") I found that if you don't sleep well, you don't lose as much. If you eat too late before going to bed, you don't lose as much. If you adjust your diet (however you want is my experience) to…

> I found that you don't lose weight until you sleep.

That matches my experience as well. A little known fact is that lost weight mostly exits the body through the lungs as carbone dioxide. ［0］

［0］ http://theconversation.com/when-we-lose-weight-where-does-it...

Re: The grandmaster diet: How to lose weight while barely moving

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Post by outworlder »

wysifnwyg wrote: post #38
RobertRoberts wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, but I found something more specific. I tracked weight loss for a month. Eating only one meal a day. I recorded multiple times a day my weight. Only in the morning did I actually record any "loss". So, I did some tests for this. I stayed up all night to see if I lost weight in the morning like every other day, but I didn't. I slept, woke up in the afternoon, and I had lost .5 pounds from the previous day. Someth…

It's the point and time where the body spends energy on repair.

But spends less energy everywhere else.
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