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Re: Show HN: Noric-bot – A bot to stress-test text-based MUDs, written in Scala 3

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Post by sk5t »

mtndew4brkfst wrote: post #17
ratacat wrote: post #13

Awesome! I'm going to have to check that out. I'm doing a human stress test on my mud project, Enceladus right now! There's over 25+ people in so far. It's the worlds first realtime crypto RPG, as in you can find ethereum in the game. Come help us test it!! https://discord.gg/S7TkGXX or http://enceladusgame.io/playtest

This is a pretty blatant advertisement, part of a larger pattern of what would be charitably called "aggressive self-promotion", and in fairly poor taste IMO. This comment had close to nothing to do with the subject of the parent post except the tenuous connection via the "MUD" keyword.

It's difficult to presume any circumstances other than this being a vehicle for the author(s) to collect cryptocurrency.

Re: Show HN: Noric-bot – A bot to stress-test text-based MUDs, written in Scala 3

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Post by GuyPostington »

ratacat wrote: post #13

Awesome! I'm going to have to check that out. I'm doing a human stress test on my mud project, Enceladus right now! There's over 25+ people in so far. It's the worlds first realtime crypto RPG, as in you can find ethereum in the game. Come help us test it!! https://discord.gg/S7TkGXX or http://enceladusgame.io/playtest

Last thing, let me pet the cat in the first room.

Re: Show HN: Noric-bot – A bot to stress-test text-based MUDs, written in Scala 3

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Post by dragonwriter »

paulddraper wrote: post #18
mihaifm wrote: post #16

Cool project, but why engage in language flame war on the project readme: > I think Scala is the best mainstream language with a sophisticated type system. Sophisticated type systems are money in the bank. Going from TypeScript to Scala is like going from JavaScript to TypeScript.

Not only that, accusing TypeScript of being "unsophisticated" is just dumb. Unsound, inconsistent, overly complicated, poorly abstracted, improper paradigms.....any of those would be a more legitimate criticism than "unsophisticated".

> Not only that, accusing TypeScript of being "unsophisticated" is just dumb.

Probably, but the thing you are doing doesn't accuse TypeScript of being unsophisticated but of having an unsophisticated type system (these are as different as describing a person as being short is different from describing them as having short hair.) And, yeah, a type system that lacks soundness, lacks consistency, is overly complicated and poorly abstracted, and uses improper paradigms can fairly and succinctly be described as unsophisticated compared to one that does not have those shortcomings; the descriptions you point to may be more specific, but are not more legitimate, nor are they more appropriate when the context isn't a detailed dissection of the language.

Re: Show HN: Noric-bot – A bot to stress-test text-based MUDs, written in Scala 3

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Post by spir »

mihaifm wrote: post #16

Cool project, but why engage in language flame war on the project readme: > I think Scala is the best mainstream language with a sophisticated type system. Sophisticated type systems are money in the bank. Going from TypeScript to Scala is like going from JavaScript to TypeScript.

Thanks for the feedback. I have updated the README to use less inflammatory language and be more specific that the comparison is just for the type system.

The new text is

  For me, from a type system perspective,
  going from TypeScript to Scala is like
  going from JavaScript to TypeScript.
  (I love TypeScript and write a lot of it!)

Re: Show HN: Noric-bot – A bot to stress-test text-based MUDs, written in Scala 3

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Post by spir »

mtndew4brkfst wrote: post #19
spir wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fair enough. I try to spend as little time as possible on the bot and more time on the game itself :-) The bot you describe sounds cool -- would love to see it!

Is your game project available publicly to play, and/or is it open-source? Have you ever participated in the MUD Coders Guild community? It's been mentioned elsewhere in the thread.

The project isn't open source or playable yet. Working on a playable demo!

I'm active on the MUD Discord. I'm registered for the MUD Coders Guild but am allergic to Slack :p

ryanb#6419 on Discord

Re: Show HN: Noric-bot – A bot to stress-test text-based MUDs, written in Scala 3

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Post by paulddraper »

spir wrote: post #24
mihaifm wrote: post #16

Cool project, but why engage in language flame war on the project readme: > I think Scala is the best mainstream language with a sophisticated type system. Sophisticated type systems are money in the bank. Going from TypeScript to Scala is like going from JavaScript to TypeScript.

Thanks for the feedback. I have updated the README to use less inflammatory language and be more specific that the comparison is just for the type system. The new text is For me, from a type system perspective, going from TypeScript to Scala is like going from JavaScript to TypeScript. (I love TypeScript and write a lot of it!)

Having written massive amounts of both Scala and TS, I'd say the #1 issue Scala has the the impossibility to understand a simple variable reference.

If I see `A`, the search space to understand where that comes from is quite large for most Scala.

Re: Show HN: Noric-bot – A bot to stress-test text-based MUDs, written in Scala 3

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Post by ratacat »

mtndew4brkfst wrote: post #17
ratacat wrote: post #13

Awesome! I'm going to have to check that out. I'm doing a human stress test on my mud project, Enceladus right now! There's over 25+ people in so far. It's the worlds first realtime crypto RPG, as in you can find ethereum in the game. Come help us test it!! https://discord.gg/S7TkGXX or http://enceladusgame.io/playtest

This is a pretty blatant advertisement, part of a larger pattern of what would be charitably called "aggressive self-promotion", and in fairly poor taste IMO. This comment had close to nothing to do with the subject of the parent post except the tenuous connection via the "MUD" keyword.

ah man, you're right. I was just really excited is all, because lots of people started coming into the MUD chat rooms, and I'm doing a playtest today (the old school way), and I've been building this for nine months! and I'm not making any money off of it, actually mostly giving away eth. I forget that other people aren't going to be as excited about it as I am.

I just want everyone to come see what I'm building!

Re: Show HN: Noric-bot – A bot to stress-test text-based MUDs, written in Scala 3

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Post by ratacat »

sk5t wrote: post #21
mtndew4brkfst wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a pretty blatant advertisement, part of a larger pattern of what would be charitably called "aggressive self-promotion", and in fairly poor taste IMO. This comment had close to nothing to do with the subject of the parent post except the tenuous connection via the "MUD" keyword.

It's difficult to presume any circumstances other than this being a vehicle for the author(s) to collect cryptocurrency.

Author is actually making no cryptocurrency. But yeah, I see what you mean. I'm giving away a fair amount.

Re: Show HN: Noric-bot – A bot to stress-test text-based MUDs, written in Scala 3

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Post by AlexITC »

paulddraper wrote: post #18
mihaifm wrote: post #16

Cool project, but why engage in language flame war on the project readme: > I think Scala is the best mainstream language with a sophisticated type system. Sophisticated type systems are money in the bank. Going from TypeScript to Scala is like going from JavaScript to TypeScript.

Not only that, accusing TypeScript of being "unsophisticated" is just dumb. Unsound, inconsistent, overly complicated, poorly abstracted, improper paradigms.....any of those would be a more legitimate criticism than "unsophisticated".

Until tsc compiles just fine even when you wrote a function that uses an undeclared variable.
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