I like the idea of putting a spotlight on original stories, yet this also incentivizes racing to break a story even if it is just a rumor
Elevating original reporting in Search
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Re: Elevating original reporting in Search
#102Okay let's give this a try news.google.com -> Democratic debate Websites: BBC, Vox, Guardian, NYT, WaPo, CNN, Slate (wow), The New Yorker, USA Today Absent: National Review, Fox News, Wall Street Journal, reason, Forbes, RT So basically the news algorithm considers these kinds of stories high quality: 1) Stephen Colbert plays Democrat Drinking Game (NYT) No Greg Gutfeld sketch ? 2) Funniest one-liners at the Democrat…
I think you're just pushing an agenda. Where does the blog say anything about opinion being ranked down. In terms of what the blog actually talks about, "Democratic debate" is a terrible example. This seems to focus on boosting older articles that break the news and down rank low effort follow up stories. I don't think a consistent topic like "Democractic debate" is a good test bed. Maybe search for a scandal?
> Where does the blog say anything about opinion being ranked down.
Every ranking boost for one result is a ranking decrease for all other results.
Re: Elevating original reporting in Search
#103Has anyone found that recently Google search is becoming more and more useless? Google tends to ignore what I actually type in, and tries to search according to some weird NLP machine learning inference on what it thinks I'm actually trying to ask. Top results will include maybe 50-75% of the words I actually typed in, and it will treat the rest as mere hints or related words. My queries end up looking like this afte…
Any actual examples? I hear this complaint but usually little to support, did it really get worse? I get bad results from time to time, but it is good in most cases.
Re: Elevating original reporting in Search
#104Has anyone found that recently Google search is becoming more and more useless? Google tends to ignore what I actually type in, and tries to search according to some weird NLP machine learning inference on what it thinks I'm actually trying to ask. Top results will include maybe 50-75% of the words I actually typed in, and it will treat the rest as mere hints or related words. My queries end up looking like this afte…
Do you experience this for dev-related searches or all types? I often have trouble finding relevant content for dev-related searches due to SEO content farms that wrap Stack Overflow content in an ad-infested user interface or worse.
Dev related questions are one of the few times I still use Google over DDG. Maybe it's because I do a lot of searches for fairly basic concepts when learning something new but a relevant SO result is almost always in the top three.
Re: Elevating original reporting in Search
#105Has anyone found that recently Google search is becoming more and more useless? Google tends to ignore what I actually type in, and tries to search according to some weird NLP machine learning inference on what it thinks I'm actually trying to ask. Top results will include maybe 50-75% of the words I actually typed in, and it will treat the rest as mere hints or related words. My queries end up looking like this afte…
Almost every thread that's somehow related to Google Search has this same question (which often goes to the top) and the same answers. It's difficult to imagine that most of the people haven't seen this a bunch of times as well. And while I agree with this, I'd love to know why people keep asking and/or upvoting this same question over and over. Is it for the sole purpose of bashing Google or what is it? Honest quest…
People have been bashing MS, Apple for decades (for the same tired reasons), and now FB, Google too. What is wrong in expressing displeasure? Its a normal human trait to do so. If you wrong someone enough times, they're going to spend their own free time and energy telling people how much they dislike you. I suppose taken to an extreme, it might become unhealthy.
To be clear, I don't like Google any more, and I'd be happy if more and more people stopped liking them too. An advertising/data-mining/surveillance company controlling access to information in a digital age is about as dangerous as you can get. Even so, I can still objectively praise some interesting cool tech that they produce...
Re: Elevating original reporting in Search
#106Earlier quoted context omitted.
Try using verbatim search. It’s under “Search tools -> All Results”. Sadly I can’t figure out how to direct link it.
Add &tbs=li:1 to the URL. Example: https://www.google.com/search?tbs=li:1&q=search+my+exact+wor...
Wow so intuitive. :)
Thanks for the info!
Re: Elevating original reporting in Search
#107Okay let's give this a try news.google.com -> Democratic debate Websites: BBC, Vox, Guardian, NYT, WaPo, CNN, Slate (wow), The New Yorker, USA Today Absent: National Review, Fox News, Wall Street Journal, reason, Forbes, RT So basically the news algorithm considers these kinds of stories high quality: 1) Stephen Colbert plays Democrat Drinking Game (NYT) No Greg Gutfeld sketch ? 2) Funniest one-liners at the Democrat…
I think you're just pushing an agenda. Where does the blog say anything about opinion being ranked down. In terms of what the blog actually talks about, "Democratic debate" is a terrible example. This seems to focus on boosting older articles that break the news and down rank low effort follow up stories. I don't think a consistent topic like "Democractic debate" is a good test bed. Maybe search for a scandal?
A great example of scandal would be the "very fine people" scandal.
A plain text reading of the transcript and a fair viewing of the press conference has the President saying that he was not talking about neo Nazis should be condemned totally, and that there were also very fine people on both sides of the statue debate.
Jake Tapper of CNN has clarified this multiple times on air.
As for agenda, I'm an Indian citizen with no business or personal interests in the USA other than following the news as a hobby and enjoying the reality TV aspect of it.
Googling it gives you essentially fake news. Try it out.
Vote the man out of office but don't destroy your society and potentially others by looking the other way and allowing a company like Google to do this.
Re: Elevating original reporting in Search
#108Earlier quoted context omitted.
Almost every thread that's somehow related to Google Search has this same question (which often goes to the top) and the same answers. It's difficult to imagine that most of the people haven't seen this a bunch of times as well. And while I agree with this, I'd love to know why people keep asking and/or upvoting this same question over and over. Is it for the sole purpose of bashing Google or what is it? Honest quest…
People have been bashing MS, Apple for decades (for the same tired reasons), and now FB, Google too. What is wrong in expressing displeasure? Its a normal human trait to do so. If you wrong someone enough times, they're going to spend their own free time and energy telling people how much they dislike you. I suppose taken to an extreme, it might become unhealthy. To be clear, I don't like Google any more, and I'd be…
I expect to get interesting and hopefully new insights when reading comments in HN. The comment guidelines state the following:
>Don't introduce flamewar topics unless you have something genuinely new to say. Avoid unrelated controversies and generic tangents.
Hence I believe repeating the same comment (or should be called rhetorical question) in almost every Google Search (or related e.g. DDG) thread isn't only repetitive but IMHO also goes against the quoted guideline.
Re: Elevating original reporting in Search
#109Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think you're just pushing an agenda. Where does the blog say anything about opinion being ranked down. In terms of what the blog actually talks about, "Democratic debate" is a terrible example. This seems to focus on boosting older articles that break the news and down rank low effort follow up stories. I don't think a consistent topic like "Democractic debate" is a good test bed. Maybe search for a scandal?
> Where does the blog say anything about opinion being ranked down. Every ranking boost for one result is a ranking decrease for all other results.
Most likely this is just boosting articles at the beginning of a trend curve for growth for a search. For the purpose of what's laid out here, opinion could and probably should be presented.
Re: Elevating original reporting in Search
#110Okay let's give this a try news.google.com -> Democratic debate Websites: BBC, Vox, Guardian, NYT, WaPo, CNN, Slate (wow), The New Yorker, USA Today Absent: National Review, Fox News, Wall Street Journal, reason, Forbes, RT So basically the news algorithm considers these kinds of stories high quality: 1) Stephen Colbert plays Democrat Drinking Game (NYT) No Greg Gutfeld sketch ? 2) Funniest one-liners at the Democrat…
There should also be more representation from far-left organizations. See this article on how Google traffic to far-left sites dramatically dropped in 2017, due to Google deciding to promote "authoritative" content ahead of "alternative viewpoints": https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2017/09/19/goog-s19.html "Authoritative content" seems correlated with center-left in the US context, though the US center-left may be co…
Fair enough, I guess, if you also want to give more representation to far right organizations. The organizations OP mentioned are not far right. They are mainstream right. With the possible exception of RT, which I'm not actually all that familiar with.