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Re: Elevating original reporting in Search

#51
On the surface, focusing on original reporting should be a very good thing. But this goes way beyond that. These raters are going to effectively be the arbiters of truth and reality. This is a very dangerous opaque centralization of information control given the monopoly Google has on search.

Maybe take a look at some search alternatives like DuckDuckGo or YaCy.

Re: Elevating original reporting in Search

#52
post #32

Has anyone found that recently Google search is becoming more and more useless? Google tends to ignore what I actually type in, and tries to search according to some weird NLP machine learning inference on what it thinks I'm actually trying to ask. Top results will include maybe 50-75% of the words I actually typed in, and it will treat the rest as mere hints or related words. My queries end up looking like this afte…

yes, they've been doing that for a while but it's gotten worse.

also top results tend to be from sites trying to sell something.

which makes sense because businesses can hire SEO consultants and spend their resources getting google to show them in the top results.

however people who just put stuff up and leave up for free don't hire SEO consultants.

Re: Elevating original reporting in Search

#53
post #32

Has anyone found that recently Google search is becoming more and more useless? Google tends to ignore what I actually type in, and tries to search according to some weird NLP machine learning inference on what it thinks I'm actually trying to ask. Top results will include maybe 50-75% of the words I actually typed in, and it will treat the rest as mere hints or related words. My queries end up looking like this afte…

Recently ? This has been an issue for at least a few years, IME.

Re: Elevating original reporting in Search

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post #45
post #32

Has anyone found that recently Google search is becoming more and more useless? Google tends to ignore what I actually type in, and tries to search according to some weird NLP machine learning inference on what it thinks I'm actually trying to ask. Top results will include maybe 50-75% of the words I actually typed in, and it will treat the rest as mere hints or related words. My queries end up looking like this afte…

I've noticed over the past year that a Google search for almost any medical term will bury the wikipedia article on the third or fourth page of search results. The first three pages are all sites with extremely watered-down content and little to none of the cross-referencing links that make wikipedia a good exploratory tool (and a natural fit to PageRank). Google has obviously decided that anyone searching for a medi…

As someone in medicine, this drive me up the wall. I don't want to go to uptodate every time I have a question and want the basics of a disease or drug. Where Wikipedia fits my requirements perfectly, Google constantly feeds me nonsense WebMD, blogs, and hospital systems. Now, whenever I search for anything medically related I add wiki at the end.

Re: Elevating original reporting in Search

#55
post #48

I'm all in on DuckduckGo. No longer doing !g as I don't accept the Google privacy policy (although I have peaked behind the popup using Ublock)

If you ever need Google results, just use !s for Startpage instead. It pulls Google results in a privacy respecting way, similar to DDG.

Re: Elevating original reporting in Search

#56
post #32

Has anyone found that recently Google search is becoming more and more useless? Google tends to ignore what I actually type in, and tries to search according to some weird NLP machine learning inference on what it thinks I'm actually trying to ask. Top results will include maybe 50-75% of the words I actually typed in, and it will treat the rest as mere hints or related words. My queries end up looking like this afte…

Oh thank god, I thought I was going crazy or my problems were so unique. For instance just recently I hit 4 separate TEIID errors and googling the IDs led to unrelated pages either to TEIID itself or pages containing completely different IDs. Using quotes helps of course, but useful results were on 3 page or later.

Can we create a github repo with examples? I believe dev experience using Google is going really downhill.

Re: Elevating original reporting in Search

#57
Okay let's give this a try

news.google.com -> Democratic debate

Websites:

BBC, Vox, Guardian, NYT, WaPo, CNN, Slate (wow), The New Yorker, USA Today

Absent:

National Review, Fox News, Wall Street Journal, reason, Forbes, RT

So basically the news algorithm considers these kinds of stories high quality:

1) Stephen Colbert plays Democrat Drinking Game (NYT)

No Greg Gutfeld sketch ?

2) Funniest one-liners at the Democratic Debate (CNN)

3) Where was Mayor Pete Buttgeig at the Debate? (NYT)

4) OPINION: Winners and Losers of the Democratic Debate (NYT)

actually has the word opinion in the title

5) Who won the Democratic Debate? Texas. (NYT)

I think there ought to be more representation from right-leaning organizations

Re: Elevating original reporting in Search

#58
post #32

Has anyone found that recently Google search is becoming more and more useless? Google tends to ignore what I actually type in, and tries to search according to some weird NLP machine learning inference on what it thinks I'm actually trying to ask. Top results will include maybe 50-75% of the words I actually typed in, and it will treat the rest as mere hints or related words. My queries end up looking like this afte…

Almost every thread that's somehow related to Google Search has this same question (which often goes to the top) and the same answers.

It's difficult to imagine that most of the people haven't seen this a bunch of times as well.

And while I agree with this, I'd love to know why people keep asking and/or upvoting this same question over and over. Is it for the sole purpose of bashing Google or what is it? Honest question.

Re: Elevating original reporting in Search

#59
post #32

Has anyone found that recently Google search is becoming more and more useless? Google tends to ignore what I actually type in, and tries to search according to some weird NLP machine learning inference on what it thinks I'm actually trying to ask. Top results will include maybe 50-75% of the words I actually typed in, and it will treat the rest as mere hints or related words. My queries end up looking like this afte…

Absolutely-— for a year or two now. These days, if I have success with even a mildly technical Google search, it’s because I’ve enclosed every single term in quotation marks and/or turned on verbatim search, which doesn’t even work that well. Google is trying so hard to think for you that they’re ruining their core product.

I had totally forgotten about "verbatim tool". Thanks.

Further, I see there's now an option to disable "relevant" (personalized) searches.

https://www.google.com/preferences

"Private results

Private results help find more relevant content for you, including content and connections that only you can see."

Followed by checkbox.

The linked explainer suggests the "relevant" (personalized) search is informed by your activity with other Google products. Skeptical me thinks that's hardly the whole story.

"Search results from your Google products" https://support.google.com/websearch/answer/1710607

Either way, I may try google search for a while, see if there's any benefit over DDG.

Re: Elevating original reporting in Search

#60
post #44

For everyone who complains about Google having worse results, have you blocked or disabled Google's tracking? I haven't and haven't had any trouble finding things with Google and I wonder if the two are related in some way.

In some ways that might be true. But I also wonder if google is using tracking/profiling as kind of a crutch. A while ago, I had google forget about all the things I had searched for. I then wanted to look up some features of C++17, but google kept coming up with info about the C-17 Globemaster instead. Rather than just searching for my terms explicitly, it tried to interpret what I wanted, and failed miserably witho…

> I then wanted to look up some features of C++17, but google kept coming up with info about the C-17 Globemaster instead

I did the search just now and every single result on the first page was about C++17. (I am logged-out with Noscript, Ghostery, adblock enabled). They might have fixed it?

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