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Re: California bans private prisons

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I "attacked" pop econ bullshit, not a person.

"It lets everyone know it's safe to ignore you" is a personal attack. If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting here, we'd really appreciate it.

> "It lets everyone know it's safe to ignore you" is a personal attack.

No, it's a general attack on anyone that cites horseshit.

Re: California bans private prisons

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Classic to see the correct take get downvoted. If anyone's interested in actually learning about the causes of mass incarceration, I'd strongly recommend John Pfaff's _Locked In_: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01L6SLKK8/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?... In short: a) It's not the war on drugs. b) It's not private prisons. c) It's not sentencing laws. You could get rid of all of those and America would still lead the "free" worl…

For the lazy: Pfaff is convinced that aggressive prosecution is the biggest cause of over-incarceration. His argument here is compelling. He notes that while incarceration rates began to climb in the 1980s as a response to rising crime, those trend lines continued through the Nineties, even though crime was steadily falling. Why did that happen? Examining all the relevant variables (crime reports, arrests, charges fi…

I strongly agree, the u.s. criminal justice system needs a overhaul of zealous prosecutors who want to threaten non-violent offenders with felony convictions just to make a name for themselves. Greed is still the primary motive, a young prosecutor knows they can command a 6 or 7 figure salary in the private sector if the have a substantial amount of convictions under their belt. Yes, private prisons are bad, yes prison guard unions and police unions are bad, but prosecutors are equally guilty of the same greed and profit driven motivation... when was the last time you heard a story of a former prosecutor getting unemployment insurance or food stamp assistance? I'll wait...

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I've entertained the idea of abolishing prisons in my head, but I can't imagine what we would do as an alternative. Suggestions?

If it was nonviolent crime, then island where convicted can live with shops, houses, internet, trains and parks and local elected administration and cctv, but cannot go back to the rest of the world. But if it is a serious violent crime, it should still be prison. Comfortable like in Europe or better, but preventing convicted from doing harm to others. It should not be a punishment. It should be just an isolation. Se…

Yet more accurate language: bad-behaving people from good-behaving people. I realize some would say it‘s the same thing, but I always like to make the distinction.

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Of course they would. Prisons inmates are not isolated from information.

You're not too familiar with prison, I guess. By and large, I would expect inmates to choose the closest prison to their family, regardless of quality metrics. What good does it do to know that some prison 2000 miles away has a really good meal program?

Which state is 2000 miles in size? This article is about state prisons.

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Of course they would. Prisons inmates are not isolated from information.

Yes, they are? Considering most inmates do not have access to the internet, do you expect the state to publish these stats in good faith? Inmates to trust them? Or do they just subscribe to print editions of The New York Times? I guess I'm not sure if you're speaking in hypothetical or talking about inmates today. As the article is on California I'm assuming we're both discussing USA.

Inmates today. They talk and information spreads very quickly into prisons via family members and other visitors.

Re: California bans private prisons

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I think for public sector, we have to look at it on the state level. Using the same analysis, in a democratic society, one vote has in theory more power than membership in a public sector unions, because with that vote you can decide more things than just wages of public employees. I suspect the American culture of "being tough on crime" isn't really about prison-employee unions, but has historical roots in the colon…

> Using the same analysis, in a democratic society, one vote has in theory more power than membership in a public sector unions, because with that vote you can decide more things than just wages of public employees. ...except when you can both be a member of a union and also exercise your vote. I wasn't aware that in the USA joining a public sector union meant giving up your right to vote ;-)

No, the inequality always holds, your vote has always larger weight in society than your union membership.

I think it seems counter-intuitive to you but you cannot articulate why. I was also surprised when I realized it.

Or think about it this way: All citizens in democratic society are free to enter any number of associations that advocate for their interests. For example, unions. But membership in these associations doesn't "add up" to more power, in particular, it doesn't affect the "one person, one vote" principle of democratic elections.

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The change in monetary system caused a cascade of despair. https://wtfhappenedin1971.com/

More specifically here is the incarceration rate change when the monetary system changed. https://wtfhappenedin1971home.files.wordpress.com/2019/09/in... PS. Don't downvote me if you don't know economics morons.

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Re: California bans private prisons

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The change in monetary system caused a cascade of despair. https://wtfhappenedin1971.com/

More specifically here is the incarceration rate change when the monetary system changed. https://wtfhappenedin1971home.files.wordpress.com/2019/09/in... PS. Don't downvote me if you don't know economics morons.

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Re: California bans private prisons

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The change in monetary system caused a cascade of despair. https://wtfhappenedin1971.com/

More specifically here is the incarceration rate change when the monetary system changed. https://wtfhappenedin1971home.files.wordpress.com/2019/09/in... PS. Don't downvote me if you don't know economics morons.

Something that isn't intuitive about our monetary shift is that as we debase the USD, we also debase the most desperate/marginalized of our population.

It is a feature of our system that is only accelerated by income inequality and labor price suppression.

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