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The "Machiavellian Reality" -- speech by Robert Greene

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Re: The "Machiavellian Reality" -- speech by Robert Greene

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Did anybody happen to download the mp3 of the speech before the 4shared host got swamped? I would be in your debt if you were to throw up a mirror of it.

There is a comment dated Dec 3 saying the link doesn't work. So seems unlikely anyone from hn got it.

Re: The "Machiavellian Reality" -- speech by Robert Greene

#12

Did anybody happen to download the mp3 of the speech before the 4shared host got swamped? I would be in your debt if you were to throw up a mirror of it.

I got it. Here's a mirror:

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3102685/cache/robertgreene/WS710007....

Re: The "Machiavellian Reality" -- speech by Robert Greene

#13
post #11

Did anybody happen to download the mp3 of the speech before the 4shared host got swamped? I would be in your debt if you were to throw up a mirror of it.

There is a comment dated Dec 3 saying the link doesn't work. So seems unlikely anyone from hn got it.

4shared seems to be a bit shaky; it worked in Firefox on Windows, but not on Linux.

I posted a mirror on Dropbox, & I can post it on S3 if that doesn't hold up.

Re: The "Machiavellian Reality" -- speech by Robert Greene

#14

Did anybody happen to download the mp3 of the speech before the 4shared host got swamped? I would be in your debt if you were to throw up a mirror of it.

I got it. Here's a mirror: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3102685/cache/robertgreene/WS710007....

Edit: Skip to 4:20.

Worked perfectly, thanks. I was going around in circles on that MP3 site.

Re: The "Machiavellian Reality" -- speech by Robert Greene

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post #9
post #7

"The other thing that primates have that is so bizarre and interesting is that they are the only animal we know that practice deception and games of manipulation among each other. There is no other animal on the planet that we can say that about." Some male cuttlefish will pretend to be female in order to sneak past the alpha male and mate with the female he is guarding. I am sure there are many, many other examples…

There are plenty of deceptive bugs and other critters. Like stick insects, frog fish, chameleons, etc.

Camouflage to avoid being eaten isn't quite the same thing. It is the difference between gaining an advantage as distinct from avoiding a disadvantage.

Re: The "Machiavellian Reality" -- speech by Robert Greene

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post #3

Really enjoyed the article. I've skimmed Greene's book and thought it was just a modernisation of Machiavelli's "The Prince". This article really shows how passionate he is about understanding and accepting human nature. Because Greene's book is prescriptive in that it lists 48 laws, I had thought there wasn't that much depth to it. I'm pleasantly surprised by Greene's insight.

I own the three bestsellers (48 laws, 33 strategies, art of seduction). Calling it modernization of The Prince is wrong (I also own The Prince AND Discourses on Livy) - it is more a condensate of the works of people he refers to and cites: Niccolo Machiavelli, Sun Tzu, Baltasar Gracian, Otto Von Bismarck, Carl Von Clausevitz, Napoleon, Platon, Aristoteles, Friedrich Nietzche...

All the great classics - as such Greene's work is an excellent intro into the world of classic political and strategic theory... What I have realized after reading some of these classic writer's works is that many of philosophers that are so popular today were nothing short of charlatans - this field (strategy and politics) has been so well researched that classics are indeed the best reference.

I particularly love Sun Tzu and Machiavelli's Discourses on Livy (you won't understand prince unless you have read Discourses - Prince on its own is a dangerous book. For me it is more a satirical piece and if you fail to grasp sarcasm in it you might get burned).

Re: The "Machiavellian Reality" -- speech by Robert Greene

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post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Any hint on the topic?

Rare people of integrity?

Indeed - I find it fascinating how people nowadays are short on integrity. But they forget that ultimate deceiver is a person who does not deceive.

I'm quite sad how everything is so short term nowadays.

Re: The "Machiavellian Reality" -- speech by Robert Greene

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Rare people of integrity?

Indeed - I find it fascinating how people nowadays are short on integrity. But they forget that ultimate deceiver is a person who does not deceive. I'm quite sad how everything is so short term nowadays.

I'm confused as to what you mean. Why do you think that it's just nowadays that people are short on integrity or that everything has become short-term?

Re: The "Machiavellian Reality" -- speech by Robert Greene

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post #3

Really enjoyed the article. I've skimmed Greene's book and thought it was just a modernisation of Machiavelli's "The Prince". This article really shows how passionate he is about understanding and accepting human nature. Because Greene's book is prescriptive in that it lists 48 laws, I had thought there wasn't that much depth to it. I'm pleasantly surprised by Greene's insight.

I own the three bestsellers (48 laws, 33 strategies, art of seduction). Calling it modernization of The Prince is wrong (I also own The Prince AND Discourses on Livy) - it is more a condensate of the works of people he refers to and cites: Niccolo Machiavelli, Sun Tzu, Baltasar Gracian, Otto Von Bismarck, Carl Von Clausevitz, Napoleon, Platon, Aristoteles, Friedrich Nietzche... All the great classics - as such Greene…

Is it a mistake that I'm reading Prince before Discourse on Livy? What should I know...
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