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Re: Anduril, a startup from Oculus founder Palmer Luckey, now valued at $1B

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post #75

This is probably how the wall should be built for the most part. It allows wildlife to freely roam but then uses AI to identify specific threats. This will probably save a lot of lives too. Then Trump can have his wall and we can all laugh that it is invisible but it will hopefully be effective for border security and environmentally friendly.

>It allows wildlife to freely roam

well good to know that the wildlife is going to have more privileges than the people. Truly a humanitarian technology company. We sure do live in interesting times.

Re: Anduril, a startup from Oculus founder Palmer Luckey, now valued at $1B

#232
post #39

It's hearing things like this that make me regret having supported Luckey on his Kickstarter. I had followed him for a few years on the MTBS3D forum when he was experimenting with various HMD prototypes (usually modding the heck out of the Forte VFX-1). He just seemed like a kid with a dream, and the will and ability to make it happen - and potentially revive VR for "Round 2". I suppose he did do that, and while I di…

Eliminating borders is a recipe for disaster. You can't expect your country to remain the same if you let millions or dozens of millions of people freely coming in from different cultures and backgrounds. Immigration is all about "how much is still OK to let in (trade-off between risks and benefits)", and once you say "whoever wants to enter", it's hard to take this kind of opinion seriously.

Nonsense, and you don't believe that either. Otherwise you'd be arguing for hard borders between US states to preserve their unique character. Border politics are drive by racism, pure and simple. You may not be racist, but you should look into the history around the politics of this and the extreme right wingers that back the various anti-immigration front groups.

Re: Anduril, a startup from Oculus founder Palmer Luckey, now valued at $1B

#233

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> it's hard to take this kind of opinion seriously The economic argument for free migration is identical to the one for free trade[1]. Do you find it hard to take free trade advocates seriously? [1] https://contexts.org/articles/the-economics-of-migration/

The risks of immigration (of any sort) include: - spread of disease - erosion of social trust due to conflicting cultures - erosion of other social capital if immigrant culture has a higher time preference than native culture - identity politics (people vote along ethnic rather than ideological lines) Now, there are certainly benefits to immigration as well, but they must be put in balance. I agree that trade and imm…

Is this like when the British settlers deliberately used smallpox-infected blankets to give diseases to the native Americans? Trying to associate immigration with disease is some vile rhetoric.

Re: Anduril, a startup from Oculus founder Palmer Luckey, now valued at $1B

#234

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Eliminating borders is a recipe for disaster. You can't expect your country to remain the same if you let millions or dozens of millions of people freely coming in from different cultures and backgrounds. Immigration is all about "how much is still OK to let in (trade-off between risks and benefits)", and once you say "whoever wants to enter", it's hard to take this kind of opinion seriously.

> it's hard to take this kind of opinion seriously The economic argument for free migration is identical to the one for free trade[1]. Do you find it hard to take free trade advocates seriously? [1] https://contexts.org/articles/the-economics-of-migration/

He didn’t make an economic argument, he made a social and political one about changes to culture. I support open borders for the same reason I support free trade but the idea that it would be anything but massively disruptive to most existing political settlements is a joke. The US fifty years after open borders would have a lot in common with before but the Roman Empire had a lot in common with the Republic too.

No way a welfare state, democracy and open borders go together. Open borders isn’t going to be costless for existing residents.

Re: Anduril, a startup from Oculus founder Palmer Luckey, now valued at $1B

#235
post #63

Yuck. It's like the perfect marriage of taking any remaining humanity out of law enforcement and add tons of bottomless greed to it. It's so very Peter Thiel-ish. I'd love to say I wish them well, but I hope this company goes out of business due to a public outrage. But they'll always find someone to sell to, like authoritarian governments, and make money hand-over-fist.

>It's so very Peter Thiel-ish.

soon, all of the United State's defense companies will be named after stuff from Lord of the Rings

Re: Anduril, a startup from Oculus founder Palmer Luckey, now valued at $1B

#236
post #66

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Five of them are related to Peter Thiel who I guess just likes to name companies that way. https://qz.com/1346926/the-hidden-logic-of-peter-thiels-lord... Founders Fund invested in Anduril but it wasn't Thiel directly, so this one is kind of one hop away. Maybe it's related.

I propose that we refer to the companies related to Peter Thiel based around creepy surveillance stuff collectively as the "palantíri."

I'd rather call them the Nazgul.

Re: Anduril, a startup from Oculus founder Palmer Luckey, now valued at $1B

#237

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Eliminating borders is a recipe for disaster. You can't expect your country to remain the same if you let millions or dozens of millions of people freely coming in from different cultures and backgrounds. Immigration is all about "how much is still OK to let in (trade-off between risks and benefits)", and once you say "whoever wants to enter", it's hard to take this kind of opinion seriously.

> You can't expect your country to remain the same Why would anyone want or expect their country to remain the same? Especially the US? There are massive problems here, with millions of people hurting every day. The current state of the US is not a nice place for tens of millions+ of its residents. Stating that you'd expect a country to 'remain the same' is tantamount to stating you want the current horrible problems…

> Stating that you'd expect a country to 'remain the same' is tantamount to stating you want the current horrible problems that presently plague our society to persist - with no action against them. That doesn't make any sense.

This was the entire premise of the current president's platform; going back to before things "changed" and everything was "better"

Re: Anduril, a startup from Oculus founder Palmer Luckey, now valued at $1B

#238
post #4

“I felt like there were not nearly enough high-tech companies working on defense problems in a way that was more similar to the Silicon Valley model of innovation rather than a traditional defense contract.” (Luckey) Is this true (not enough companies applying "SV innovation model" to "defense problems")?

A bit of a tangent, but how is the US/Mexico border a "defense" issue? The Mexican military is not planning an invasion. I am unaware of any Latin American terrorist groups threatening the USA. I am not trying to be pedantic here, but words are important. If the US/Mexico border is a defense issue, then it should be entirely militarized? Andruil would be most accurately described as a surveillance company, would it n…

>>>A bit of a tangent, but how is the US/Mexico border a "defense" issue?

Border security is THE most basic, fundamental responsibility of national defense. The US has just spent so frickin' long with benign powers on its land borders, and so focused on global expeditionary operations, that its border security efforts have atrophied. That said, national defense is now an over-arching term that includes a mix of law enforcement and military responsibilities and tasks. Note that securing our airspace "borders" largely falls onto Combat Air Patrols conducted by the various state Air National Guards, typically flying F-16s or F-15s.

>>>I am unaware of any Latin American terrorist groups threatening the USA.

Maybe not Latin American ones, but Al Qaeda just called for renewed attacks on the US in the wake of the 9/11 anniversary.[1] We KNOW that illegal aliens are crossing into the US traveling from as far as west/central Africa. [2] West Africa already has an Islamic terrorism problem.[3] From a risk assessment/risk management perspective, it is wise to allocate resources to reduce the chance of AQ or ISIS agents sneaking across our southern border, which leaks like a sieve.

>>>If the US/Mexico border is a defense issue, then it should be entirely militarized?

I think most major countries handle it as a national-level law enforcement responsibility, but sometimes there are still significant military forces involved.

As a point of comparison, China uses Army forces for border security, in addition to other agencies.[4] Russia's primary border force is a law-enforcement organization.[5]

[1]https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/al-qaeda-chief-issues...

[2]https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-06-02/watch-first-large-...

[3]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boko_Haram

[4]https://china-defense.blogspot.com/2017/09/the-second-line-p...

[5]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Border_Service_of_the_Federal_...

Re: Anduril, a startup from Oculus founder Palmer Luckey, now valued at $1B

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I'll bite. It's not bad or racist to enforce immigration laws. Very few people in America support legitimately open borders and I do not either; the only ones that do are purist libertarians. Faux concern for these issues however is a hammer used by bad and, yes, racist people in order to batter people who are overwhelmingly poorer and non-white. There is no evidence that a physical wall is a necessary investment and…

As I understand it, separating children from parents isn't some sort of arbitrary punishment, it's literally the only way that immigration laws can be enforced when adults are traveling with children. This is because of court decisions which say children can't be detained more than 20 days. The alternative is to just release the parents and children and tell them to show up for their court date, which they usually do…

> separating children from parents isn't some sort of arbitrary punishment, it's literally the only way that immigration laws can be enforced when adults are traveling with children.

We've spent 230+ years having borders without separating children at gunpoint to give up for adoption [0]. It was explicitly called a deterrent by Jeff Sessions [1]. The cruelty is the point.

[0]. https://theintercept.com/2018/07/01/separated-children-adopt...

[1]. https://www.axios.com/sessions-says-he-hopes-child-separatio...

> So if you're saying we shouldn't separate children from parents, then you're for defacto open borders.

No, not at all.

Re: Anduril, a startup from Oculus founder Palmer Luckey, now valued at $1B

#240
post #2

Did we create a super-villain by ostracizing him for supporting Trump?

No. I met Thiel a decade ago and he struck me as very reactionary then. While I admire his intellect and he had valid critiques of how government operates at this point in history I felt many of his arguments were facile and self-serving. I've moved quite a bit to the left since then, but that was my contemporaneous impression rather than my current opinion of him.
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