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The Rise of the Electric Scooter

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Re: The Rise of the Electric Scooter

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Right, but that .5mi "10 minute walk" tuns into 20 minutes both ways, adding tons of time (as a % of commute) to the door-to-door travel times.

If you need to shave 20 specific minutes off your daily activities, I suggest finding a new job.

Shaving 20 minutes off a commute in a coastal metro area costs $100,000-$200,000 in the price of a home.

Maybe you don't care about the value of your time, but many people do.

Re: The Rise of the Electric Scooter

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> That's why you need bigger better wheels Or just one big one! https://onewheel.com I switched to one of these after having a few too many wipeouts on a longboard. It's been fantastic.

It's wild that someone managed to manufacture a last mile transport device that makes the rider look even more of a goober than the scooters.

Oh man, wait until you see an EUC.

Re: The Rise of the Electric Scooter

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I agree that it’s sad that e-scooters are banned in the UK. I take the train to work and I have ~20mins of waking either end (1 hr 20 mins per day total). An electric scooter could save me ~40 mins per day.... Why are electric scooters banned when e-bikes are fine? What if they were capped at 20mph? Below the 25 for bikes

Ebikes are technically restricted to 15mph here. The micromobility laws in the UK are a complete joke and driven by car and tier 1 manufacturers lobbying (e.g Bosch via EU). EBikes and scooters are hands down the best solution to London's pollution issue yet people are getting fined for using them. There is a complete lack of logic in the rulings. The reason why escooters are illegal whereas EBikes are not: throttle.…

I wonder why someone doesn't just make a scooter that does a similar thing some electric bikes do: the motor kicks in once you start moving and 'assists' you to kick the scooter along. Perhaps that would also be illegal? It's a very strange legal situation.

Re: The Rise of the Electric Scooter

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rejoinder to the helmet point: if the speed is the same, and the places traveled are the same, the need for the helmet is the same.

If the speed is the same, and the places traveled are the same, and the likelihood of an accident is the same... Can you imagine going to a car dealership, and coming across a car with 10x the stopping distance and a center of mass twice as high as a Civic and the salesman telling you "it's just as safe so long as you're traveling the same speed and same places"? Would you buy that claim for a second? I've avoided nu…

Skateboards are slower than bikes unless you're really pushing it or bombing down a hill. Skateboarding is a skill and you can do all sorts of maneuvers to stop quickly, such as a side stop.

I think the main reason why skateboards are worse injury wise is many of them try to do tricks constantly, while most bicyclists are not in that category. Also the small wheels are more sensitive to potholes.

Re: The Rise of the Electric Scooter

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> Meanwhile in America we paint a tiny narrow bike lane on the road and pretend the white line is going to stop accidents. Separated bike lanes can be equally dangerous and more inconvenient for cyclists. If you can swing around a slow/stopped hazard then it’s not much better. It’s only good for the newbie riders who are scared of the road. The best arrangements are sharrows where both parties are sharing the road wi…

Depends on the speed limit. Around here, on larger streets the speed limit is 35 mph. Riding a bike is considered a rather dangerous activity. Drop the speed limit to 20 mph and maybe sharing the road becomes possible. Seeing how other countries do it though, true separated bike lanes are the best. I agree that studies show painted bike lanes are actually more dangerous, but a physical barrier between cars and bikes…

The dangerous place is not the straight road, but crossings where cars turn right and hit cyclists going straight. So the way these spots are handled is way more important than painted line vs fence.

Re: The Rise of the Electric Scooter

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I rode a non-electric kick scooter (Xootr) for three years working in downtown SF. It is by far the best form of transitional transport there is and superior to bikes for 99% of actual real world travel. It was easily 4-5 times faster than walking and more importantly suddenly made the entire city open due to how insanely efficient it was for "glueing" together various forms of public transport. I could hop from tran…

Sure thing. But e-scooters?

We have one in our city now, you can rent. I have the feeling people use it for the same distances I use a bike for (<10km).

Re: The Rise of the Electric Scooter

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I rode a non-electric kick scooter (Xootr) for three years working in downtown SF. It is by far the best form of transitional transport there is and superior to bikes for 99% of actual real world travel. It was easily 4-5 times faster than walking and more importantly suddenly made the entire city open due to how insanely efficient it was for "glueing" together various forms of public transport. I could hop from tran…

> It was easily 4-5 times faster than walking I can walk a mile in 20 minutes which is 3 mph. This implies these scooters can maintain 12-15 mph? Am I just underestimating how fast you can get going on these things? That seems kind of fast unless you are going downhill both ways.

I averaged about half the time vs walking when I used my kick scooter regularly. Reading the next though, I think they are gaining time by linking transit hubs.

Re: The Rise of the Electric Scooter

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I doubt the police would stop you. I can't believe you won't use one if it saves that much time! Be brave!

I've only just started this commute so I'm thinking about it.... if I figure out that I can't get away with it then I'm stuck with a useless piece of kit.

Maybe not possible for you, but where I live (Germany) the obvious solution would be to get 2 cheap used bikes for both start/end legs and chain them at the station.

Re: The Rise of the Electric Scooter

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This is something I rant about from time to time. The word scooter is ridiculously overloaded. I'm semi-interested in an electric vespa type scooter, but it's hard to Google for it, because everything about electric scooters online refers to kick scooters.

If you call them mopeds that should clarify any ambiguity.

Mopeds have pedals.

Re: The Rise of the Electric Scooter

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I wish they didn't look so silly to ride. I know that scooters will slowly become more ubiquitous and, as a result, will be considered more normal and less goofy to ride. But for now, it just kinda looks goofy to a lot of people.

One looks like a complete idiot riding an 1880s highwheel bicycle (well, in the 1880s for sure, at least). Bicycles still caught on. -- Owner of an 1886 Columbia bicycle and 2019 Boosted Rev scooter

To use your own example, bicycles only caught on once they started looking reasonable. The huge front wheel on pennys was a huge damper to adoption.
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