Pure nonsense. Very little evidence. Someone is simply speculating.
Why does Hacker News allow these unsubstantiated conspiracy-theory discussions?
Israel accused of planting mysterious spy devices near the White House
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#232It's not like the Israelis haven't done this before and not paid any consequences for it. 2000: https://www.wrmea.org/000-june/despite-coverup-israel-caught... 2015 caught greasing politicians: https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-spy-net-on-israel-snares-co... 2011: https://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/08/us/08spy.html 2015: https://theintercept.com/2015/03/25/netanyahus-spying-denial... 2014: https://www.newsweek.com/israel…
Without support from the USA, it would not be possible for Israel to defend itself. Much of their spying on the USA is not to harm the USA, but to ensure the USA is still on their side. I don't think they want to hurt the USA, but I do think they would support an opponent of a politician that had been "heard" expressing a lack of interest in financial and military support for Israel.
Completely untrue. Israel has great relations with China and India.
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#233Earlier quoted context omitted.
The article isn't saying that. It's in quotes becuase they are reporting the words of someone they've deemed to be a reputable source for the topic of standard administration behavior. You may have an issue with that source's opinion, but that's different from having an issue with Politico.
> The article isn't saying that. It's in quotes becuase they are reporting the words of someone they've deemed to be a reputable source for the topic of standard administration behavior. Very good point. My claim: "Stating speculation as fact...." itself could be described as sloppy. To clarify: factually , Politico is printing the words of a third party - it is a fact (presumably) that this person made that statemen…
You should look up any number of books about how the US got into the Spanish American War in 1898. It's a very long standing problem.
I wouldn't describe an expert's opinion as "speculation". Maybe it's becuase you don't agree with their opinion that you see it that way?
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#234Earlier quoted context omitted.
AIPAC is a much more overt and pernicious form of a foreign government interfering in US elections. They donate money to many US politicians, and actively setup campaigns against those they don't like, such as Ilhan Omar. It's far worse than anything Russia has ever done. And it's out in the open, so people somehow assume it's OK.
To be fair, a lot of Americans support AIPAC, either from ethnic solidarity, Christian dispensationalism, or just because they like Israelis. But they've certainly been involved in some shady stuff which should merit them being registered as Foreign Agents. FWIIW the FARA act was passed in 1938 because of fascist and Nazi groups like the German American Bund interfering in US elections. Maybe as time goes by, AIPAC w…
AIPAC is an American Organization. Composed of Americans. Why on earth should they register as "Foreign Agents?"
You may not like people because of their religion or nationality, but they are allowed to have a lobbying and education organization without an accusation of not being real Americans.
Politicians can choose to listen to them or not, just like the NRA, the American Cancer Society, and the AARP.
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#235> The miniature surveillance devices, colloquially known as “StingRays,” mimic regular cell towers to fool cell phones into giving them their locations and identity information. I realize that roaming is a thing, and I don’t know how cellular protocols work, but I am curious why at this point phones don’t connect to towers anonymously, authenticate towers by default, encrypt identity, etc..? Surely the phone could be…
Telephone providers can't even reliably identify the source of a call anymore. These companies are regulatory capture dinosaurs who haven't made any significant innovations for half a century. I don't think there is a chance in hell this kind of innovation would come out of any of the current major US telecoms.
It could easily come from Apple, no?
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#236Earlier quoted context omitted.
To be fair, a lot of Americans support AIPAC, either from ethnic solidarity, Christian dispensationalism, or just because they like Israelis. But they've certainly been involved in some shady stuff which should merit them being registered as Foreign Agents. FWIIW the FARA act was passed in 1938 because of fascist and Nazi groups like the German American Bund interfering in US elections. Maybe as time goes by, AIPAC w…
AIPAC is an American Organization. Composed of Americans. Why on earth should they register as "Foreign Agents?" You may not like people because of their religion or nationality, but they are allowed to have a lobbying and education organization without an accusation of not being real Americans. Politicians can choose to listen to them or not, just like the NRA, the American Cancer Society, and the AARP.
>Why on earth should they register as "Foreign Agents?"
For collaborating with a foreign power in attempting to influence US policy. Here's a former director of AIPAC saying just that (in, mind you, the Jewish Daily Forward): https://forward.com/opinion/395676/its-time-for-aipac-to-reg...
The German American Bund was also an American organization made up of Americans ... and getting its marching orders from abroad in service of a foreign regime. That's why we passed the FARA law in 1938 in the first place. Foreigners are not supposed to influence US elections. Everything you have said about AIPAC applied to the German-American bund when they passed the FARA law. Neither the NRA or the American Cancer Society are advocating for policies for benefit of a foreign power: the German American Bund used to do this, just as AIPAC does today. If you don't like FARA, lobby to get it revoked. I'm sure that will go over well after the Russia hysteria.
There's also the example of the Lawrence Franklin espionage scandal of 2003 for shady AIPAC doings beyond this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_Franklin_espionage_sc...
AIPAC were pressured to register as foreign agents back in 62, but Kennedy being shot kind of pushed that aside. Ended pressure on them to stop their nuke program as well.
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#237Earlier quoted context omitted.
AIPAC is an American Organization. Composed of Americans. Why on earth should they register as "Foreign Agents?" You may not like people because of their religion or nationality, but they are allowed to have a lobbying and education organization without an accusation of not being real Americans. Politicians can choose to listen to them or not, just like the NRA, the American Cancer Society, and the AARP.
>Why on earth should they register as "Foreign Agents?" For collaborating with a foreign power in attempting to influence US policy. Here's a former director of AIPAC saying just that (in, mind you, the Jewish Daily Forward): https://forward.com/opinion/395676/its-time-for-aipac-to-reg... The German American Bund was also an American organization made up of Americans ... and getting its marching orders from abroad in…
I still don't understand how you can expect Americans to be put in some sort of Registry because they have an opinion that differs with yours.
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#238Earlier quoted context omitted.
>Why on earth should they register as "Foreign Agents?" For collaborating with a foreign power in attempting to influence US policy. Here's a former director of AIPAC saying just that (in, mind you, the Jewish Daily Forward): https://forward.com/opinion/395676/its-time-for-aipac-to-reg... The German American Bund was also an American organization made up of Americans ... and getting its marching orders from abroad in…
I still don't understand how you can expect Americans to be put in some sort of Registry because they have an opinion that differs with yours.
Um, OK I guess stating historical facts is insane and full of hate. Would you like to clarify your statement or are you comfortable denouncing me for knowing my history?
Citations were provided for every factual statement I made.
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#239Not surprising. It's intriguing to think about how this might intersect with the recently departed Jeffery: https://www.mintpressnews.com/mega-group-maxwells-mossad-spy...
There are a lot of people in this thread oddly pointing links to this "Mint Press News" site. For anyone curious and reading my comment, don't click. It's a propaganda site and has almost no reputation for trustworthiness or accuracy.
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#240Earlier quoted context omitted.
>Why on earth should they register as "Foreign Agents?" For collaborating with a foreign power in attempting to influence US policy. Here's a former director of AIPAC saying just that (in, mind you, the Jewish Daily Forward): https://forward.com/opinion/395676/its-time-for-aipac-to-reg... The German American Bund was also an American organization made up of Americans ... and getting its marching orders from abroad in…
I still don't understand how you can expect Americans to be put in some sort of Registry because they have an opinion that differs with yours.
You seem to be the one full of hate, using angry labels rather than addressing the comment.