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Re: Anduril, a startup from Oculus founder Palmer Luckey, now valued at $1B

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Post by sjg007 »

commandlinefan wrote: post #35
consumer451 wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A bit of a tangent, but how is the US/Mexico border a "defense" issue? The Mexican military is not planning an invasion. I am unaware of any Latin American terrorist groups threatening the USA. I am not trying to be pedantic here, but words are important. If the US/Mexico border is a defense issue, then it should be entirely militarized? Andruil would be most accurately described as a surveillance company, would it n…

> how is the US/Mexico border a "defense" issue? Well, whether you agree with it or not, part of the justification is that if anybody can cross easily, terrorist groups will, too. IIRC, the 9/11 hijackers didn’t fly into the US since we were looking for them, they flew into Canada and crossed the border (although Canada’s not Mexico, of course…)

The hijackers did not enter through Canada or Mexico.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hijackers_in_the_September_11_...

Re: Anduril, a startup from Oculus founder Palmer Luckey, now valued at $1B

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Post by drewrv »

paggle wrote: post #21
webwielder2 wrote: post #13

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Why do we need to protect our borders? Why not just let people live wherever they can afford?

Name one country with better-than-average standard of living that has opened its borders and thrived. There will always be a wall around something nice — either around your house, or your neighborhood, or your country.

The United States itself had "open borders" for a long period of time. There was mass immigration from Ireland, Italy, and many other places and it worked out quite well for us.

Even today, we have "open borders" within the US. People are free to move from from poor (or poorly run) communities to places with more opportunities and it's a win-win.

Similarly Europe has 26 countries in the Shengen area. Some of the countries have a "better-than-average standard of living" and they're doing just fine.

Re: Anduril, a startup from Oculus founder Palmer Luckey, now valued at $1B

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Post by commandlinefan »

hbosch wrote: post #76
commandlinefan wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> how is the US/Mexico border a "defense" issue? Well, whether you agree with it or not, part of the justification is that if anybody can cross easily, terrorist groups will, too. IIRC, the 9/11 hijackers didn’t fly into the US since we were looking for them, they flew into Canada and crossed the border (although Canada’s not Mexico, of course…)

> Well, whether you agree with it or not, part of the justification is that if anybody can cross easily, terrorist groups will, too. You don't hear a lot about the big wall we need across the Canadian border.

That might be because it’s way bigger than the wall we would need on the southern border or because more people cross from the south than from the north or because they actually are using border security as an excuse to keep out Mexicans - but keeping terrorists out is (one of) the justifications for classifying border security as a national security and therefore military issue.

Re: Anduril, a startup from Oculus founder Palmer Luckey, now valued at $1B

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Post by DonaldPShimoda »

WillPostForFood wrote: post #54
jobigoud wrote: post #45

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I'll bite because I'm ambivalent about immigration laws. Why should people that just happen to be born in a third world country live a shitty life with no way out? You can't just say they have to do a revolution in their own country, not everyone is interested in activism, why should this be the fight of their life instead of stuff they actually want to do? You were born in a nice place by sheer luck. It's unfair. I…

Why should a homeless person be forced to sleep on the street when you have a perfectly good couch in your living room. Yet you keep your door locked.

Because a country is not a house. The analogy is fundamentally flawed. Our government can provide for immigrants in ways that individuals simply cannot.

Re: Anduril, a startup from Oculus founder Palmer Luckey, now valued at $1B

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Post by mc32 »

jetrink wrote: post #57
mc32 wrote: post #52

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It becomes a bit of a tragedy of the commons. People elect awful governments who promise paradise and country’s economy craters resulting in mass exodus (Venezuela). Why should Colombians or Chileans (or Americans) shoulder their poor choices of government and civil society? If some country wants to grow unsustainably and follow unhealthy land use habits and then have problems, why should others shoulder that (outsid…

By that logic, should we not confine the residents of West Virginia to their home state as its coal-based economy collapses? Or should we allow them to move to other parts of the country to seek jobs so that they can lead happier, more productive lives?

Fortunately, for West Virginia, they joined the union and as such we help each other out since they are under federal regulation and are taxed at the federal level.

Re: Anduril, a startup from Oculus founder Palmer Luckey, now valued at $1B

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Post by homonculus1 »

cameronbrown wrote: post #81
homonculus1 wrote: post #38

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Social safety nets, open borders, future ongoing existence of an orderly nation. Pick two.

This. Things are not good everywhere in the world right now, we have to make trade offs. Humanity will progress and eventually things will be much much fairer, where we could have all of these things simultaneously, but we've got a long way to go as a species.

To add further, it would be horrible if inequality were perpetuated forever. But we have made a lot of progress by instituting liberal order and Western values in our own demarcated nations. This order is uplifting the world and other nations are able to copy it at their own pace. To eliminate the demarcations threatens a race to the bottom wherein the system has to accept people who do not know how to participate in our way of life, in greater numbers than it can accept.

Re: Anduril, a startup from Oculus founder Palmer Luckey, now valued at $1B

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Post by rmilejczz »

luckylion wrote: post #43
cr0sh wrote: post #39

It's hearing things like this that make me regret having supported Luckey on his Kickstarter. I had followed him for a few years on the MTBS3D forum when he was experimenting with various HMD prototypes (usually modding the heck out of the Forte VFX-1). He just seemed like a kid with a dream, and the will and ability to make it happen - and potentially revive VR for "Round 2". I suppose he did do that, and while I di…

> I sometimes wonder if we humans will ever get over this artificial border fetish we have. Sounds like you believe that humans are the only animals that get territorial.

Do you strive to be more animalistic? That doesn’t seem like a very noble pursuit for a human being

Re: Anduril, a startup from Oculus founder Palmer Luckey, now valued at $1B

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Post by rmilejczz »

_iyig wrote: post #46
cr0sh wrote: post #39

It's hearing things like this that make me regret having supported Luckey on his Kickstarter. I had followed him for a few years on the MTBS3D forum when he was experimenting with various HMD prototypes (usually modding the heck out of the Forte VFX-1). He just seemed like a kid with a dream, and the will and ability to make it happen - and potentially revive VR for "Round 2". I suppose he did do that, and while I di…

>So - while I would prefer a "monitored solution" to border control over physical imposing measures, my real preference would be for us to all work toward eliminating these national-level borders completely. You sound like someone with the ability to live anywhere, who consequently has little stake in their current "somewhere." Lots of Americans (and people in other countries) don't have this flexibility. They are di…

Sad that you make almost no effort to push responsibility on the people hiring undocumented workers

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Post by lacker »

cmorgan31 wrote: post #84
lacker wrote: post #73

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I don't have any problem with someone being a republican or a conservative, but I can't and couldn't understand why someone would support a person like our current POTUS. 88% of Republicans think that Trump has done a good job as president, so if you think supporting Trump is not okay, then you basically do have a problem with someone being a Republican. https://news.gallup.com/poll/203198/presidential-approval-ra...…

> 40% of the country is Trump supporters Why muddy things? His approval rating isn’t analogous to 40% of our population’s support. It’s the support of individuals who bothered to spend time entertaining the poll. He has a very consistent approval rating with his base but you sound like the PR announcement after one of his rallies with inflated attendance counts.

Polls are usually pretty good at correcting for response rates. Claiming he has a 40% approval rating is hardly the sort of statistic that would be at a rally!

Re: Anduril, a startup from Oculus founder Palmer Luckey, now valued at $1B

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Post by stale2002 »

cr0sh wrote: post #39

It's hearing things like this that make me regret having supported Luckey on his Kickstarter. I had followed him for a few years on the MTBS3D forum when he was experimenting with various HMD prototypes (usually modding the heck out of the Forte VFX-1). He just seemed like a kid with a dream, and the will and ability to make it happen - and potentially revive VR for "Round 2". I suppose he did do that, and while I di…

> my real preference would be for us to all work toward eliminating these national-level borders completely

I mean, ok, that means that you literally support open borders.

It is fine for you to think that, but you should realize that the vast majority of the population does not support it.

So it is not just "republicans or conservatives" that oppose open borders. It is instead basically everyone.

This company is not deporting anyone. It is just putting cameras at the border.

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