Not nearly as much as the 2003 heat wave; which took almost fifteen thousand lives in France alone. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_European_heat_wave
The 2006 heatwave was as bad as 2003 but people were better prepared so not as many died.
Summer heat killed nearly 1,500 in France, officials say
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Re: Summer heat killed nearly 1,500 in France, officials say
#62Earlier quoted context omitted.
The people of France aren't ignorant. They have just acclimated to a climate that is rapidly getting hotter. It would be patronizing if French people offered basic advice on not building on floodplains and storm preparation after Harvey. People just plan based on their prior experiences.
Im from Belgium and like France we are completely unprepared when it comes to these summers. The Texas model offers some good ideas to think about. Why must you get so offended, I didn’t.
My perspective is I'm much more concerned that France has to take US Gulf Coast level climate management steps in the first place. I think all the advice is good, but I don't think the problem is lack of knowledge but rather denial that the climate crisis is as bad as it is. I am not offended, sorry to both of you if it came off that way.
Re: Summer heat killed nearly 1,500 in France, officials say
#63I live in Texas. The heat wave that France is experienced this summer is like maybe 1 or 2 degrees Fahrenheit hotter than a normal summer for us. Preparedness for summer is deeply ingrained in everyone's minds here. Many Apartment complexes treat issues with AC units as emergency situations, reach out to on-call handymen and give high priority to their fix. In the city of Dallas, city code requires that property owne…
And all Texas cities basically shut down with any amount of snow or ice. Imagine if there was a blizzard in Houston and some yank was like, “where are their snow plows, snow chains, heavy jackets, insulated pipes, etc?”
If 1500 people died from a blizzard, it would be a reasonable response to suggest that those kind of things would be a good idea.
Re: Summer heat killed nearly 1,500 in France, officials say
#64Earlier quoted context omitted.
Im from Belgium and like France we are completely unprepared when it comes to these summers. The Texas model offers some good ideas to think about. Why must you get so offended, I didn’t.
My perspective is I'm much more concerned that France has to take US Gulf Coast level climate management steps in the first place. I think all the advice is good, but I don't think the problem is lack of knowledge but rather denial that the climate crisis is as bad as it is. I am not offended, sorry to both of you if it came off that way.
Ah so it's the fault of the US for France's heatwave?
Re: Summer heat killed nearly 1,500 in France, officials say
#65I'd just like to take a moment (in light of some of the comments here) to say that air-conditioning is neither a moral failure nor an ecological disaster.
An incentive to replace aging gas and electric heat with high efficiency modern heat-pumps that can both heat and cool is a clear ecological win.
The question is (as ever) how can we fairly deploy this society changing tech so that those who need it most don't get it last.
Re: Summer heat killed nearly 1,500 in France, officials say
#66As an American expat that has been living in Paris for the last 7 years, France could really use some AC upgrades. I couldn't survive the summers without mine.
When I lived there, I was surprised nearly none of the buildings had AC. I guess because the buildings are so old, and it is only very hot for a short time every year when most people are away on vacation, and, because it's France.
Re: Summer heat killed nearly 1,500 in France, officials say
#67That's certainly many people, and it sucks if someone you know died because of the head. However, I can't tell for a population like France if this is a large number. Would love to see something like, how many people die from cold in France each year, or other environmental effects.
Re: Summer heat killed nearly 1,500 in France, officials say
#68Earlier quoted context omitted.
The people of France aren't ignorant. They have just acclimated to a climate that is rapidly getting hotter. It would be patronizing if French people offered basic advice on not building on floodplains and storm preparation after Harvey. People just plan based on their prior experiences.
The use of AC in France is also quite foreign. None person in my family use one, despite them living all over the country. But go to the states or to India, and there is AC everywhere.
There will probably be a period of adjustment here in San Francisco, CA, too. My apartment does not have an air conditioner, and neither do many (most?) other SF apartments. If people start dropping dead because of the heat here, I have no idea what the city could/would do to address that situation.
Re: Summer heat killed nearly 1,500 in France, officials say
#69Earlier quoted context omitted.
[citation needed]
“So you know, a warming of 1 degree Celsius, which is what we’ve seen thus far, can lead to a 10-fold increase in the frequency of 100 degree days in New York City for example,” said Dr. Mann. According to the U.S. Global Change Research Program, since the 1960s the average number of heat waves — defined as two or more consecutive days where daily lows exceeded historical July and August temperatures — in 50 major Am…
You pasted a quote of Michael Mann, aka the hockey stick guy, a known scientific fraud.
Doing things like that is why people don't believe alarmists and the NYT anymore.
Re: Summer heat killed nearly 1,500 in France, officials say
#70I live in Texas. The heat wave that France is experienced this summer is like maybe 1 or 2 degrees Fahrenheit hotter than a normal summer for us. Preparedness for summer is deeply ingrained in everyone's minds here. Many Apartment complexes treat issues with AC units as emergency situations, reach out to on-call handymen and give high priority to their fix. In the city of Dallas, city code requires that property owne…
The people of France aren't ignorant. They have just acclimated to a climate that is rapidly getting hotter. It would be patronizing if French people offered basic advice on not building on floodplains and storm preparation after Harvey. People just plan based on their prior experiences.
>People just plan based on their prior experiences.
That’s... pretty much the definition of ignorant. Being ignorant isn’t bad and being able to recognize what you’re ignorant of it much more important than “not being ignorant”.