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Israel accused of planting mysterious spy devices near the White House

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Re: Israel accused of planting mysterious spy devices near the White House

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Israel and the U.S are extremely strong alliance Also the Mossad is working a lot with the secret service in the U.S I believe there is a deeper reason behind those actions that won't be revealed to us (it can also explain the lack of actions of the U.S towards this case)

Leaks have shown that with the 5 eyes 'one hand washes another' and probably spying on US citizens on behest of the US.

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post #6

> Israel doesn’t conduct espionage operations in the United States, period. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Pollard

In fairness, Israel claims they learned a lesson from that incident and implemented the policy you're quoting as a result.

edit: Some weird downvotes here. I'm not saying I believe they don't actually spy, but they have made that promise: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/dec/22/israel-condemn...

> Since Pollard's conviction, Israel has promised not to spy on the US. Israeli ministers said on Sunday that Israel does not spy on the US president or defence secretary. "I think we should expect the same relations from the US," Steinitz said.

Re: Israel accused of planting mysterious spy devices near the White House

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> The U.S. government concluded within the last two years that Israel was most likely behind > But unlike most other occasions I don't know if im spoiled by Wikipedia, or jaded from age, or wisened by age, or rightfully lost trust in the media, or wrongfully lost trust in the media, but i find myself entirely unwilling to accept to accept claims like this. Citation. Needed. In order to believe this article, i need to…

Agreed. This is the same publication that insisted that a shadowy Jewish cabal is controlling Trump at Putin's behest.

Edit:

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/04/the-happy-go... (The original hero image has been changed to something less ominous)

https://www.tabletmag.com/scroll/229930/politicos-dubious-ch...

Re: Israel accused of planting mysterious spy devices near the White House

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> The U.S. government concluded within the last two years that Israel was most likely behind > But unlike most other occasions I don't know if im spoiled by Wikipedia, or jaded from age, or wisened by age, or rightfully lost trust in the media, or wrongfully lost trust in the media, but i find myself entirely unwilling to accept to accept claims like this. Citation. Needed. In order to believe this article, i need to…

Agreed. This is the same publication that insisted that a shadowy Jewish cabal is controlling Trump at Putin's behest. Edit: https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/04/the-happy-go... (The original hero image has been changed to something less ominous) https://www.tabletmag.com/scroll/229930/politicos-dubious-ch...

It's funny that you would post something like that without citation under a comment talking about citations.

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I still don’t understand how the Stingray is a saleable product. There’s no way such a device could obtain FCC certification, or for a prospective user to obtain a license to operate one. So notwithstanding the fact that the government wants these things, Harris shouldn’t be making or selling these things, and rightfully belongs in jail.

Re: Israel accused of planting mysterious spy devices near the White House

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> The miniature surveillance devices, colloquially known as “StingRays,” mimic regular cell towers to fool cell phones into giving them their locations and identity information.

I realize that roaming is a thing, and I don’t know how cellular protocols work, but I am curious why at this point phones don’t connect to towers anonymously, authenticate towers by default, encrypt identity, etc..? Surely the phone could be made to ask you before attaching to a service of unknown origin without compromising you, especially in higher security scenarios. Is this difficult or impossible to do for some reason? Is it already in the works and just not here yet?

Re: Israel accused of planting mysterious spy devices near the White House

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post #5

It's common knowledge that Trump regularly uses a personal, non-secured iPhone to communicate with friends and advisers. https://www.theverge.com/2018/10/24/18020746/president-donal... It'd be malpractice by a major intelligence agency not to attempt this, and I'd suspect there are a bunch of these things from various countries (including allies) within range of the White House.

why is this downvoted?

Re: Israel accused of planting mysterious spy devices near the White House

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> The U.S. government concluded within the last two years that Israel was most likely behind > But unlike most other occasions I don't know if im spoiled by Wikipedia, or jaded from age, or wisened by age, or rightfully lost trust in the media, or wrongfully lost trust in the media, but i find myself entirely unwilling to accept to accept claims like this. Citation. Needed. In order to believe this article, i need to…

Citations in journalism is a really interesting thing. Unlike science, where at least in theory, everything is built from the ground up using first principles or built upon raw data collected, the "raw data" of journalism is just various types of conversations with people the journalist then has to verify, and gauge the reliability of. In other cases it's the journalists first person experience of an event.

Citations, (IMHO) aren't a solution to this because human judgement is inherent in explaining human behavior and events.

I personally don't think efforts to "fix the news" as a result of facebook or whatever make a lot of sense in this context. Instead, consumers of news need to habitually engage in the process that you call too much work.

I agree that it's a lot of work, but I don't see an alternative to critically engaging with reporting on human events.

Re: Israel accused of planting mysterious spy devices near the White House

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> The U.S. government concluded within the last two years that Israel was most likely behind > But unlike most other occasions I don't know if im spoiled by Wikipedia, or jaded from age, or wisened by age, or rightfully lost trust in the media, or wrongfully lost trust in the media, but i find myself entirely unwilling to accept to accept claims like this. Citation. Needed. In order to believe this article, i need to…

I think the source is the "former official". I'd imagine that most of the time when allies are caught spying on the U.S. the public doesn't get to know about it, so it might not be possible to source that claim without talking to someone with inside knowledge of this stuff.
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