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Edward Snowden: Permanent Record

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Re: Edward Snowden: Permanent Record

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Post by rosser »

chiefalchemist wrote: post #406
rosser wrote: post #249

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So the part where I actually agree with many of the concerns about the man and his administration is ... what? Noise? Doesn't matter, because I didn't use the "right" word? Real talk: we haven't even begun unpacking the ironies here, dude. EDIT: No, that's not an invitation. This conversation isn't going anywhere useful to anyone, and I have both a meeting, and deadlines. Have a good day.

There you go again. It was you who used the word disparaging, not me. Plenty of words to pick. You picked that one. I point out that truth. I point out how that further proves the point I and the parent were making. You get all bias'ed and upset (read: subjective) and try to paint me and the facts as the bad guy. Don't you recognize the downward spiral of your "logic"? Thx for taking the time to vindicate the origina…

Okay, then. Why is "disparaging" such a terrible word to have picked?

Let's start there, and we'll our way 'round to logical "downward spirals"...

Re: Edward Snowden: Permanent Record

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Post by emmelaich »

loup-vaillant wrote: post #371
halr9000 wrote: post #367

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Your life or death scenario is an edge case with its own special complexities which should not be lumped in with discussions of the vastly voluntary choices we can make. Healthcare is heavily regulated as we all know. This raises the barrier to entry to new competitors, and leads to a less dynamic market where the status quo can last a long long time. So you end up with only 1 or a very small number of medical device…

Okay, let's try a concrete example: Gmail. Let us agree that the point of Gmail is to read people's email so it can send targeted adds. That automating the process (since human employees don't directly read that email) makes the thing more efficient, and thus worse , as well as easier to misuse. Let us agree that I can indeed avoid having a Gmail account. Can I realistically avoid sending email to a Gmail user? Nope.…

> more efficient, and thus worse,

You'll have to detail this particular implication.

I for one would think the opposite.

* also FWIW, IIRC, they don't read email for ads any more.

Re: Edward Snowden: Permanent Record

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Post by jonfw »

autoexec wrote: post #410
jonfw wrote: post #407

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This is assuming that auto insurance isn't a competiitve industry. If a company attempts to raise rates because of a trend that doesn't actually exist, they will inevitably not be competitive with companies that recognize that the trend doesn't exist, and thus it won't change prices for the consumer. If the insurance companies could arbitrarily raise rates due to a trend that doesn't exist, than they would have alrea…

> If a company attempts to raise rates because of a trend that doesn't actually exist, they will inevitably not be competitive with companies that recognize that the trend doesn't exist, that assumes that all companies involved aren't doing the same thing. Corporations figured out a long time ago that when one of their competitors does something that makes them more money at the expense of their customers they could…

If you have reason to believe that the insurance industry is colluding to artificially inflate prices, that's a criminal accusation. If you want to make criminal accusations you start with evidence.

In my view, the insurance industry looks competitive, which means that even though these shady practices happen they can't effectively dictate the entire market.

Re: Edward Snowden: Permanent Record

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Post by emmelaich »

kerkeslager wrote: post #354
dahdum wrote: post #347

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The whole thread was about the NSA's budget and mission, so I misunderstood your point. It appears you have no specific qualms with the NSA other than the fact they exist under the same government as the FBI/CIA?

No, I'm just shooting down the idea that simply saying the NSA was involved in fighting the cold war doesn't mean they're positive for US Citizens. I haven't mentioned my qualms about the NSA up to this point, but since you asked: I object to spending $10.8 billion in 2013[1]. I object to the fact that they have so little oversight, the public had to find out what their funding is from a leak[1]. I object to the fact…

> No, I'm just shooting down the idea that simply saying the NSA was involved in fighting the cold war doesn't mean they're positive for US Citizens

is a big backtrack from

> There's a strong argument to be made that the US government did more harm to US citizens during the Cold War than the Soviets ever did

Re: Edward Snowden: Permanent Record

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Post by rosser »

chiefalchemist wrote: post #230
rosser wrote: post #173

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To be clear, I downvoted both your and your parent's comments, not for saying disparaging things about Obama, his record, his hawkishness (many of which criticisms I quite eagree with), or anything otherwise negative about him , but rather for saying that HN is a place where that stuff is wrongthink. Disagreement isn't persecution.

So you downvoted _my_ experience? -Time and again? On NH? Because my experience is "wrong"? Oh. I see. I wish had a reply for that but I can't even get my head wrapped around the irony and the absurdity.

You might be having trouble wrapping your head around the thing, because the thing you're trying to wrap your head around is completely different from what I said.

To be clear, then: I did not downvote your experience. (I'm not even sure what that means. Can you explain?) I downvoted the counterfactual conclusion that you've drawn from your experience, and then crowed condemningly at the community.

Re: Edward Snowden: Permanent Record

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Post by dayofthedaleks »

TrueDuality wrote: post #226
mises wrote: post #86

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They have a little. 5ghz is more common, so you won't get any thing there. WPA2 is significantly harder to crack, and I usually do it on GPU with pyrit or hashcat-ocl and a wordlist. WPA3 is out now, too, and I'm there aren't really any well-established procedures for it yet.

Just FYI WPA2 is pretty solidly and quickly broken (lookup KRACK attacks). WPA3 is unfortunately already partially broken (though currently joining the network / password breaking aren't fully broken, see Dragonblood attacks).

KRACK is patched on most platforms.

What weaknesses in WPA2 remain?

Re: Edward Snowden: Permanent Record

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Post by MiroF »

roywiggins wrote: post #215
MiroF wrote: post #162

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To the contrary, I think the fact that you think both Snowden and Assange are Russian agents demonstrates that the administrations response was actually quite effective.

Calling him an "agent" is silly, but Snowden is living in Moscow at the pleasure of the Russian regime. It's hard to believe he's entirely free, or even substantially free, to do what he wants. It's pretty clear he never wanted to end up there. The US definitely screwed up by leaving him few other options. He's not an agent of Moscow, but he's not a free man either.

I think Russia has a lot to gain by letting him live freely

Re: Edward Snowden: Permanent Record

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Post by kerkeslager »

emmelaich wrote: post #414
kerkeslager wrote: post #354

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, I'm just shooting down the idea that simply saying the NSA was involved in fighting the cold war doesn't mean they're positive for US Citizens. I haven't mentioned my qualms about the NSA up to this point, but since you asked: I object to spending $10.8 billion in 2013[1]. I object to the fact that they have so little oversight, the public had to find out what their funding is from a leak[1]. I object to the fact…

> No, I'm just shooting down the idea that simply saying the NSA was involved in fighting the cold war doesn't mean they're positive for US Citizens is a big backtrack from > There's a strong argument to be made that the US government did more harm to US citizens during the Cold War than the Soviets ever did

The second thing you quoted is part of my evidence for the first thing you quoted. It's not a backtrack at all.

Do you have an actual evidence-based opinion, or are you just trying to catch me in weird gotchas? I'm sure I've said something slightly incorrect you can track down, but that doesn't really negate the evidence I've linked.

Re: Edward Snowden: Permanent Record

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Post by ulkesh »

unethical_ban wrote: post #146
ulkesh wrote: post #59

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Or how about we all choose how we wish to get content, and stop implying judgment. When did reading become an us vs. them thing?

The point, I believe, is to recommend a vendor other than Amazon, whose business model is datacenter management and datamining and being a front for cheap Chinese goods. There is a bit of judgment, and that's okay.

Which added zero value about the book itself. But yet I’m downvoted for pointing out the stupidity. You win, Internet.
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