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There is no place for just shitting all over other people's work

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Re: There is no place for just shitting all over other people's work

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There are many places, and one is right here: http://37signals.com/svn/posts/1351-1-who-the-fuck-designs-t...

Ouch.

But now I wonder, do individual blog posts in SvN reflect the overall opinion of 37signals or just the person who wrote the post? Keep in mind that the author of this post and the submitted one we're discussing now are different.

Re: There is no place for just shitting all over other people's work

#112

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> "rage at the way Apple flouts the HIG." I don't see any of the rage at http://readthefuckinghig.tumblr.com/ being directed at Apple. Somehow I suspect it would be hard for one who holds the guidelines in such reverence to do so.

The rage is directed at the people that put forth time and effort into releasing applications in the App Store, as well as at Apple for enabling these people to publish apps that offend their delicate sensibilities. I can see where he's coming from, and I can agree that it's a little childish and or obscene, but looking through his examples, there are some really terrible apps in the store, and a lot of them are unne…

I see the rage directed at the app developers. I don't see any of the blog's rage directed at Apple. Please show me what I'm missing.

Re: There is no place for just shitting all over other people's work

#114
post #73

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It's sufficient only if you conflate design and visual aesthetics . Since the blog in question hammers on apps that don't follow the Apple HIG, a document dedicated to the argument that good design is a lot more than visual aesthetics, this is an oddly contradictory position for him to attempt to occupy.

Yes, good design is more than visual aesthetics. But you seem to be saying that the aesthetics are then not important, which is completely false. If it looks terrible, it's a bad design. Period. At best, top-notch effort in other areas can drag it up to the same approximate level as pristine-looking-but-utterly-unusable designs, which are still terrible. His position would only be contradictory if he somehow claimed…

> If it looks terrible, it's a bad design.

Looks terrible by whose standards? If you go by my standards, all Mac stuff has 'bad design' by this rule if only because of the font rendering.

Re: There is no place for just shitting all over other people's work

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Which guy is frequently quoted as saying that? I'm bewildered. Also, is that an Ad Hominem ? If the quoted line is incorrect, it should be possible to refute it directly without discussing the speaker's credentials or other sayings.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22Scott+Stratten%2... The speaker's statement hinges on not being the kind of person that uses those other sayings. I suppose he could take the position that he himself is a professional "Jackass Whisperer" and that you should not aspire to become the same, though that puts the listener in the awkward position of being the aforementioned jackass.

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Re: There is no place for just shitting all over other people's work

#116

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Which guy is frequently quoted as saying that? I'm bewildered. Also, is that an Ad Hominem ? If the quoted line is incorrect, it should be possible to refute it directly without discussing the speaker's credentials or other sayings.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22Scott+Stratten%2... The speaker's statement hinges on not being the kind of person that uses those other sayings. I suppose he could take the position that he himself is a professional "Jackass Whisperer" and that you should not aspire to become the same, though that puts the listener in the awkward position of being the aforementioned jackass.

Heh! I wrote out four paragraphs responding to your comment, but then I realized that since I like the saying so much, I ought to take its advice. Carry on without me.

Re: There is no place for just shitting all over other people's work

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post #27

I think what rubs me the wrong way about this site is not the criticism. Criticism is ok. It's lack of proposed solutions. One thing I really enjoy is when designers take a look at some established interface and try and design a better one and put it out there for comments and ideas. That is constructive criticism in my book. example: http://www.flickr.com/photos/zachklein/4831151379/

I think the proposed solution to all entries would be "Do it with the HIG in mind".

Yes, I think I get that, but if everything was done to HIG all apps would look the same (much like all writing conforming to Formal English reads the same). I think what I'm asking is this, what can they do to conform to good GUI guidelines (HIG compliance doesn't necessarily answer that mail) and still maintain a unique looking interface?

Also, in many cases, the developer may not know what's wrong with their interface or why it doesn't comply with HIG.

Non-constructive criticism like this (while funny on some level) isn't exactly pushing humanity forward, it's just bitching.

Re: There is no place for just shitting all over other people's work

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post #24

“Where the heck were you when the page was blank?” - Paul Butterworth Always such a bogus argument. This is what people say when they don't like your opinion but have no argument to counter, so they resort to a rhetorical that implies you have no authority on the issue. But the fact is you do not need to be a creator to criticize a creation legitimately. Sometimes specializing in just observation/criticism and not cr…

I like that quote a lot. It demonstrates the creative challenge behind making anything from scratch.

Re: There is no place for just shitting all over other people's work

#119

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I need not take a bit of a cow pie to tell you that it will taste like shit. I can tell from where I'm sitting.

It's a cute metaphor, but what would you think of eating a lobster from looking at one? If you're going to be the authority on the taste of cow shit (shit tastes like shit is, of course, a tautology), you better eat some cow shit.

Let's run with the cow shit metaphor a bit. A large component of taste is smell, and I can tell without taking a bite that the smell of cow shit would foul any pleasant flavor.

Likewise with UI, a large component of its quality is visual. There is plenty we can gather about an application design just by looking at it. That isn't unfair, it's just plain observation.

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